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Title: Whaddyacallit #515- Styling mockup for the 1958 Corvette, inspired by the Olds Golden Rocket
Post by: Ray B. on February 04, 2011, 08:21:41 PM

Ever seen this ?

If you did, please respond below and let us know the "make and model" of this car. As usual, quite detailed answers are appreciated.

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Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: Otto Puzzell on February 05, 2011, 03:37:05 AM

That's pretty cool!

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: Vincent Vell Vet on February 05, 2011, 11:00:50 PM

Is it GM?

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: Ray B. on February 06, 2011, 04:50:02 AM

It is.

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: Vincent Vell Vet on February 07, 2011, 05:18:21 PM

Pontiac?

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: Ray B. on February 07, 2011, 05:49:21 PM

Not a Pontiac.

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: whcgt on February 08, 2011, 03:39:38 AM

Is it a Cadillac?

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: Ray B. on February 08, 2011, 04:42:53 AM

And no Cadillac either.

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: Vincent Vell Vet on February 08, 2011, 11:54:39 AM

Gotta be an Olds then I would think. Not big and outlandish enough for a Buick or Caddy-lac imo.

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: Otto Puzzell on February 09, 2011, 03:39:03 AM

I never expected this one to last this long.

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: Vincent Vell Vet on February 09, 2011, 11:47:45 AM

Yes Otto, I really am that bad !  :)

It looks an aweful lot like the '56 Olds Golden Rocket.
Could it be the mock-up for it?

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: Otto Puzzell on February 10, 2011, 02:34:01 AM

You don't carry the mantle of Rookie shame alone ;)

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: f1fan on February 10, 2011, 08:48:19 AM

Corvette show car?  For World's Fair?

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: Ray B. on February 10, 2011, 08:58:18 AM

Quote from: Vincent Vell Vet on February 09, 2011, 11:47:45 AM

Yes Otto, I really am that bad !  :)

It looks an aweful lot like the '56 Olds Golden Rocket.
Could it be the mock-up for it?

You're quite right about the Golden Rocket: it is connected, but it's not a mock-up for this one.
And1fan our newcomer, may also be on to soething.

So this is locked for both of you (a premiere) 48 hours.
In exchange, I'll ask you to be quite precise. No point for approximations.

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: f1fan on February 10, 2011, 09:19:23 AM

It's got to be a Motorama car then.

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: Vincent Vell Vet on February 10, 2011, 02:25:07 PM

This, like the infamous 3 million dollar 2 seater F-88, F-88 MK II, and amoung others, were based on a Corvette frame.

Not having found any pix other than the one above, this car might have been the first to have the split window first found in production on the '63 'Vette. If not, the first was the '56 Golden Rocket.     

There doesn't seem to be any pix of this car "in the metal", so I'll have to go with '55 Cutlass Fastback Coupe mock up.

There was a '54 Cutlass Coupe. Front bumper looked like a '56 Olds, and the rear looked like a '59 Olds all in a short Corvette 2 seat platform that looked very imbalanced.
The above car looks inbetween the Cutlass Coupe and the Golden Rocket.

I know you wanted more than just a guess, but this is the best I could do!

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: Ray B. on February 10, 2011, 05:11:35 PM

You're right, it's a mockup, and not for the Cutlass.

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: Ray B. on February 15, 2011, 12:31:03 PM

Free for all rookies and experts.

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: Wendax on February 15, 2011, 12:52:59 PM

Mock-up for Oldsmobile F-88, also known as the XP-20 project.

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: fyreline on February 15, 2011, 01:16:36 PM

I don't think so . . . if I remember correctly, this is actually a styling proposal for a 1950's Corvette. I believe the rest of the picture showed a 2-seat Ford Thunderbird for comparison. I'm pretty sure I have this exact photo "somewhere in the archives".

But, I may be wrong!

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: Ray B. on February 15, 2011, 03:26:52 PM

Quote from: Wendax on February 15, 2011, 12:52:59 PM

Mock-up for Oldsmobile F-88, also known as the XP-20 project.

Nope.

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: Ray B. on February 15, 2011, 03:28:18 PM

Quote from: fyreline on February 15, 2011, 01:16:36 PM

I don't think so . . . if I remember correctly, this is actually a styling proposal for a 1950's Corvette. I believe the rest of the picture showed a 2-seat Ford Thunderbird for comparison. I'm pretty sure I have this exact photo "somewhere in the archives".

But, I may be wrong!

You're right sofar, but not precise enough. Locked for you 48 hours

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: fyreline on February 15, 2011, 03:38:39 PM

Thanks, Ray.  I'll take a look through my resources tonight and see if I can zero in on it a bit better.  You originally asked for "Make and Model", which would be Chevrolet Corvette. I don't know if this styling prototype had an actual name . . . Are you looking for a name, or a year, or both?  Just trying to save some time.

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: fyreline on February 15, 2011, 08:36:11 PM

Okay, here's what I have been able to find out . . . First, I'm not surprised that so many people correctly thought this car was related to the 1956 Oldsmobile Golden Rocket show car for that year's GM Motorama. It is indeed related. What we have here is a GM styling proposal for the 1958 Corvette, constructed first in clay and then in fiberglass during 1956-1957. It's styling did in fact take many cues from the Olds Golden Rocket. It featured flip-up panels above the doors for ease of entry and exit, and a split rear window which eventually showed up on the 1963 Corvette Sting Ray coupe. It was intended to feature unit construction and sheet metal bodywork, both in an attempt to decrease unit cost and increase volume. Unfortunately, GM (and especially Chevrolet) found itself in a sales slug-fest with Ford in 1958, and the ambitious project was shelved in favor of what many consider a somewhat heavy-handed facelift that had to last the Corvette for a few more years. While the article I found contained not only the above information, but also great shots of both the front and rear of this car (which I have included below), there was no specific model name mentioned for this car. I was wrong about the original photo also showing a 2-seat Thunderbird - it actually shows a Mercedes-Benz 300SL gullwing coupe!

So my "final answer" is: 1958 Chevrolet Corvette styling proposal, constructed in 1956-57 and based on the styling cues of the 1956 Olds Golden Rocket Motorama show car. Best I can do.

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y179/fyreline/Vette-X.jpg)

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: Ray B. on February 19, 2011, 01:01:05 PM

And more than enough. By the way, you were not wrong about the original photo showing a Thunderbird: here it is.

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515- Styling mockup for the 1958 Corvette, inspired by the Olds Golden Rocket
Post by: Vincent Vell Vet on February 19, 2011, 02:42:12 PM

Not that I'm much into Vettes, but I think this here "Whaddyacallit" was not the way to go.
Looking more like a personal car/T-bird competeter than a sports car.
The '58-'62s were kind of a heavy handed re-style of the near perfect '56-'57s, but the '58-'62s saved money using most of the allready existing Corvette guts in order to concentrate on the next big deal
being the hugely succesfully styled '63 to '67 sting Ray.

That's my slant on it, what's yours?

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515- Styling mockup for the 1958 Corvette, inspired by the Olds Golden Rocket
Post by: fyreline on February 20, 2011, 07:03:57 PM

LOL - I thought I remembered the picture with the T-bird, but the resource I found first showed the same exact shot with a 300SL. 

And V3, I can't disagree with your analysis. I've owned many Corvettes over the years and currently drive a C6 convertible.  I'm looking to purchase a nice 1958-60 C1, always liked them myself.  Not sure at all I would want a Corvette styled like the subject car.

Great quiz subject, but obviously I'm biased!

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515- Styling mockup for the 1958 Corvette, inspired by the Olds Golden Rocket
Post by: Ray B. on February 21, 2011, 06:41:18 AM

Quote from: Vincent Vell Vet on February 19, 2011, 02:42:12 PM

The '58-'62s were kind of a heavy handed re-style of the near perfect '56-'57s.

That's my slant on it, what's yours?

That's exactly mine.

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 07, 2012, 06:44:17 AM

Quote from: f1fan on February 10, 2011, 08:48:19 AM

Corvette show car?  For World's Fair?

Seems f1fan first ID'd this as a Corvette, but it was missed. Point due?

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515- Styling mockup for the 1958 Corvette, inspired by the Olds Golden Rocket
Post by: Ray B. on January 09, 2012, 05:35:44 AM

I checked the topic, Otto, and here is what I'd say: he did, but it was an incomplete ID (and erroneous when he spoke of a show car), so the tpic was locked for him(and Vincent Vell Vet) 48 hours.
none of them could complete the ID in due time and the lock was lifted.
Then fyreline came up with a complete identification and got the point, as it seems customary to me in Autopuzzles "rules".

Title: Re: Whaddyacallit #515- Styling mockup for the 1958 Corvette, inspired by the Olds Golden Rocket
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 09, 2012, 06:57:12 AM

Quote from: Ray B. on January 09, 2012, 05:35:44 AM

I checked the topic, Otto, and here is what I'd say: he did, but it was an incomplete ID (and erroneous when he spoke of a show car), so the tpic was locked for him(and Vincent Vell Vet) 48 hours.
none of them could complete the ID in due time and the lock was lifted.
Then fyreline came up with a complete identification and got the point, as it seems customary to me in Autopuzzles "rules".

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