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What is this and when was it made, for 1 point?
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Re: NEH 875
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2010, 11:14:45 AM »
Experts?
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Re: NEH 875
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2010, 11:28:10 AM »
Datsun 112 ?

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Re: NEH 875
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2010, 12:07:01 PM »
Datsun 112 ?

I believe that's what the car actually is, yes, so I've given you a point because you are right.
BUT - when I posted the picture that was not what it seemed to be and not what I posted it as, so I will give another point to the Puzzler who can identify what it purports to be!

There's a story here...
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Re: NEH 875
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2010, 12:11:06 PM »
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Re: NEH 875
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2010, 12:31:06 PM »
Well I might be very wrong here, but I'm pretty sure that is not a Datsun 112. Firstly, I don't think they ever produced a 2 door version, although like I say I might be wrong, but also those indicator lights are all wrong. I don't believe there was ever a Datsun with those lights as standard. The 112 had wing-mounted 'bullet' indicators.
The grille matches a 112 or 113 though...

I only mention this as when I first saw this puzzle I thought "Easy!" but when I double checked I couldn't find anything that matches exactly...

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Re: NEH 875
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2010, 03:57:21 PM »
Not the Datsun wheel caps. These ones come from a Fiat 500.

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Re: NEH 875
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2010, 06:45:53 PM »
You're all right, of course.
The wonders of photo-shop!
But my earlier points and question still stand!
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Re: NEH 875
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2010, 07:38:36 PM »
Is this a K110 with a removable hard top? It seems there was a 2door cabriolet in the 110 series.

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Re: NEH 875
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2010, 03:58:14 AM »
Is this a K110 with a removable hard top? It seems there was a 2door cabriolet in the 110 series.

No, it's a photo-shopped 4-door 112, but that part of the question has really been answered now!
What I am looking for now is what the car pictured in my puzzle purports to be - and it's not a Datsun...
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Re: NEH 875
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2010, 11:56:04 PM »
With left hand drive, I'm going to guess it is from Taiwan and built under license by Yue Loong, YLN.  Is that it?

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Re: NEH 875
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2010, 01:18:08 PM »
With left hand drive, I'm going to guess it is from Taiwan and built under license by Yue Loong, YLN.  Is that it?

No.  It's LHD because it's a photo of a Japanese Datsun 112 that's been reversed whilst photo-shopping the thing to creat an illusion that it's something else!

So it's not a real car at all.  What does it purport to be?
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Re: NEH 875
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2011, 10:11:42 AM »
It's off to the Professionals for the true story to come out!
Locked for faksta though...
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Re: NEH 875
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2011, 11:00:16 AM »
Thanks, but I'd be more interested if anyone could try his luck as well. You could unlock it and in case no right answer will be given within a day or so I'll post my answer. Hope it will be more interesting.

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Re: NEH 875
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2011, 12:26:31 PM »
I think I know it...

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Re: NEH 875
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2011, 12:28:03 PM »
Unlocked!
Have a go PJ..
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Re: NEH 875
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2011, 12:30:19 PM »
I found the same pic with a "Lada Oka" caption below...

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Re: NEH 875
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2011, 12:38:25 PM »
You've got there!
It is indeed a photo-shopped Datsun which purports to be the long-lost Lada Oka prototype...

Here's a copy of the original photograph from which it was taken, kindly supplied by faksta who might like to complete the story!
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Re: NEH 875
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2011, 12:41:13 PM »
The historical inquiry. Lada Oka Car.

Official history of creation of  Oka well-known. At an initial stage working out of the microcar of type Fiat-126 was conducted on SeAze (Serpukhov), from here and the name “Oka”. The basic work across Oka has begun on VAZ in 1981 As analogue has been chosen Daihatsu Cuore. The engine took from “eight”, having cleaned two cylinders. Since 1987 – conveyor assemblage on KamAze.

However, the documents found recently prove that in the USSR in the early fifties the car with the name Oka, rather close under the concept to modern “Oka” already was issued!

To the investigation beginning the unique find in settlement Koshnjaki of the Kaluga region has pushed. Local “pathfinders” had been found a body with elements of a suspension bracket from any small car. The body has been strongly damaged, but under a cowl the tablet managed to be read partially. Improbably, but on it there was a name “Oka” and 1956 of release is beaten out. That is the car has been let out even prior to the beginning of works on “Zaporozhtsu”. Research of archives us has allowed to shed some light this history.

It has begun in 1952 the Big enthusiast of the small cars, the leading engineer of chair of a back suspension bracket us M.V.Jashchikevich the running sample of the new car has independently constructed. For a basis was it is taken trophy Adler Trumpf Junior, familiar to us on a film “Caucasian captive”. This car had a forward drive, as has defined configuration of the new car. As the body was a pontoon design (without wings), with much shorter cowl the four-cylinder engine should be cut off on two cylinders. Capacity has made only 15 h.p. the Designer named car “Oka” as itself was from Ryazan. The decision on statement on the conveyor then gave the top management. The car was not pleasant to “the leader of the people”.

Eyewitnesses recollect that Stalin has told: “What for to us” Oka “? At us still” Volga “is not present”… These words have served as the beginning for designing Gaz -21 “Volga” and the end for Jashchikevicha. The project “Oka” has got on regiments of archive us. To it have returned in the end of 1953, after Stalin’s death. At Izhora factory tests of pre-production models, and then and conveyor assemblage of several lots of the cars have been organised. With 1954 on 1958 it has been let out about 1200 cars Oka.

Just as a prototype of Jashchikevicha, the car had rare the then a four-seater body a hatchback and looked it is quite modern. The modernised engine of 22 h.p. dispersed it to 90 km/h. The expense of fuel of 6,5 l on 100 km. It is unique, that did not manage to achieve, it is really low price. To make “Oka” accessible even to the engineer it has not turned out. It is known that visited the USSR at festival of Youth and students of 1957 the ingenious English designer, the author of the future “Mini” Alec Issigonis admired “Oka” and even has bought one car. Unfortunately, internal struggle of departments and factories has led to phase-out of “Oka”. In 1960 the niche of “the small national car” was occupied with “Zaporozhets-965″. And in 1965 fire has destroyed the documentation and equipment on “Oka”, manufacture renewal became almost impossible. So it has turned out that about this car have absolutely forgotten. “Oka” was not prestigious, as “ЗИС-110″, mass, as “Victory” and “Volga”. Does not remain any whole car just as does not remain in their live owners. Only it was possible to find a unique photo of the car belonging to surgeon F.N.Sokolovsky in one family. But enthusiasts-restorers will try to restore historical justice. The found “Oka” will be restored as much as possible close to the original and exposed in a museum of retrocars in Moscow.

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Re: NEH 875
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2011, 12:43:06 PM »
In the previous post (that I couldn't read entirely due to lack of time) should be the story of this pic.
I can't post the link, but you will find it easily...

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Re: NEH 875
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2011, 12:47:43 PM »
In the previous post (that I couldn't read entirely due to lack of time) should be the story of this pic.
I can't post the link, but you will find it easily...

Actually I modified my last post as I didn't think you'd be so quick!
It's fascinating but all rubbish of course.
This car never has existed and is simply a gigantic scam!
I've now posted the original picture that was used for the photo-shopping.
It's amazing how you can produce a whole con in this way!
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Re: NEH 875
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2011, 12:52:50 PM »
That's a nicely done joke. The antique photo is excellent!

Some wicked ideas occured to me..

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Re: NEH 875
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2011, 06:39:39 PM »
Here's a copy of the original photograph from which it was taken, kindly supplied by faksta who might like to complete the story!

There's nothing to complete already  :) I was also pointed to the wrong direction when I first saw this photo and story - the picture is very well done.

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Re: Solved - NEH 875: Datsun 112 purporting to be 1956 Lada Oka prototype
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2011, 05:14:04 AM »
Oh, by the way, guess it would be better to exclude the word Lada from the thread name, because there was no such thing in 1956 yet.

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Re: Solved - NEH 875: Datsun 112 purporting to be 1956 Lada Oka prototype
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2011, 05:53:15 AM »
Oh, by the way, guess it would be better to exclude the word Lada from the thread name, because there was no such thing in 1956 yet.

Yes, thought that when I wrote it!
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