Topic: Solved - NEH 1382: Moskvich C3 (S3) prototype - 1976

[Carnut]

For the first of today's offerings all you need to do to earn a point is give me this car's full name and from when it dates?

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[wingroad]

Is it a Renault prototype for the 18,wheels look renaultish

[Carnut]

Is it a Renault prototype for the 18,wheels look renaultish

Not a Renault I'm afraid!

[hevace]

Nissan?  First-gen Stanza?

[Carnut]

Nissan?  First-gen Stanza?

I see where you're coming from, but there's no Nissan connection either.

[Captain Slow]

Anything to do with Rootes-Chrysler (Alpine prototype maybe) or Moskvich's Aleko programme?

[Carnut]

Anything to do with Rootes-Chrysler (Alpine prototype maybe) or Moskvich's Aleko programme?

You're only really allowed one question per post Capt Slow, but I'l let it pass this once..
Nothing to do with Chrysler Rootes but it is something to do with Moskvich!

[Julien1A]

АЗЛК С-3 Москвич Опытный (1976) (c3 prototype)

[Carnut]

АЗЛК С-3 Москвич Опытный (1976) (c3 prototype)

Probably right but how about giving me it in English?!

[Julien1A]

Moskvitch C3 prototype 1976 

[Carnut]

Yes it is.
But I still want its full name; locked for you for 48 hours to find it!

[Julien1A]

sorry have no better than Moskvich c3 prototype in 1976... after the c1 (1974), c2 and before.... the c4

[Carnut]

sorry have no better than Moskvich c3 prototype in 1976... after the c1 (1974), c2 and before.... the c4

OK; let's see if anyone else can come with the answer I'm looking for then.

[wingroad]

Moskvick AZLK 2141 Hatchback

[faksta]

Yes it is.
But I still want its full name; locked for you for 48 hours to find it!

What Julien wrote, i.e. Moskvich C3, is a full name AFAIK. Don't know what do you have there apart from ithis. 

[Carnut]

Yes it is.
But I still want its full name; locked for you for 48 hours to find it!

What Julien wrote, i.e. Moskvich C3, is a full name AFAIK. Don't know what do you have there apart from ithis.  

What wingroad gave is what I was looking for as I understood the C3 was an early (1976) prototype for what eventually became the 2141.  Is that not correct?  If not then I'll have to give Julien 1A the point but if it is then it goes to wingroad!   I need the help of a Moskvich expert here please so faksta can you put me straight?!  Thanks.

Here's a rear view of the puzzle car:

[faksta]

No, that was a different project from 2141 with RWD transmission (2141 was FWD). What you have posted here is a clay model of the 1976 S3 (S3, apologize for writing C3 before - it's Russian 's' which looks like latin 'c', so in many places the car is identified as C3).

[Julien1A]

Thank you Faksta!

Some more information I glanned here and there...:

The 2141 appears 10 years later. If there is no doubt the style of the 2141 was influenced by this prototype for the front of the car but it was not an early version of it. The 2141 obviously took its inspiration from the simca 1307/8 (1975).

Please check the profile, the hood, etc.. you will see that this car is actually quite different from the 2141:





My understanding is that this prototype belongs to a serie a laboratory concept cars: C1,C2, C3, C4 (real, mock-up or only the drawing board):

C1:




if you look at the previous picture, you will see a BMW 5 series that the factory bought in order to copy the underneath.

C2:


C4:

[Carnut]

OK, thanks, think we've got to the bottom of it now.
I had all those photos too and whilst the production 2141 does look quite a bit different that is of course quite normal when productionising prototypes.

However, I see now that the 2141 was not actually developed from the C3 despite a few outward similarities, so I'm sorry wingroad but I was asking for more information when I already had everything!

So 1 point awarded to Julien 1A and this puzzle of solved.

Thanks for input.

[faksta]

if you look at the previous picture, you will see a BMW 5 series that the factory bought in order to copy the underneath.

Check out the 911 in front AFAIK AZLK have been in communication with Fiat, Porsche and someone else regarding the possibility of producing their cars on the factory, but have not reached an agreement with them. Moskvich 911  ...