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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2011 => Topic started by: Carnut on July 12, 2011, 05:30:05 AM
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What's this car, what's its power source and when was it built (roughly) - for 1 point?
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Let's see what the Experts know then....
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Up to the Pro's..
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Corvette engined?
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Corvette engined?
No.
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At least an American V8?
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At least an American V8?
Yes!
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Perhaps a front view might help?
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It didn't help. Love the Halibrand wheels, though.
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It didn't help. Love the Halibrand wheels, though.
Yes, it only tells you what it's not, but it's a start!
Halibrands are terrific on this type of car, yes.
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The scuttle and dash shape suggest this is based upon a newer car. Is it based on a GM product?
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The rear view looks like GT Cobra
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The scuttle and dash shape suggest this is based upon a newer car. Is it based on a GM product?
It's not actually based on any other car, although it does of course use many proprietary parts incl engine and transmission, suspension etc. It has its own tubular frame however.
The rear view looks like GT Cobra
Indeed it does.
Here's another view of this very attractive car:
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Hirsch Mustang ?
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SACA beat me to it.
The car has a hand laid fiberglass body, with a tube frame. The front end and steering are Fiero, the rear is Datsun 280Z. Engine is a 1966 Mustang 289 V8 four barrel, with Ford 5 speed trans. It titled as a "1960 Hirsch".
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Sorry ! ;)
SACO
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No worries :D
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Hirsch Mustang ?
Hirsch is correct but I don't know about it ever being called a Mustang; think The Ford Motor Co. might have had something to say about that..
That was only part of the question answered however as I also asked for the car's power source and roughly when it was built. As it's a Friday and I'm feeling generous I'll give you a point however for coming up with the right name.
SACA beat me to it.
The car has a hand laid fiberglass body, with a tube frame. The front end and steering are Fiero, the rear is Datsun 280Z. Engine is a 1966 Mustang 289 V8 four barrel, with Ford 5 speed trans. It titled as a "1960 Hirsch".
That's more like the information I was looking for so I think I'll give Otto a point as well.
Apparently the car was made by some Los Angeles guys as a prototype intending to put it into production but realised it was not going to be feasible before anything got going.
I don't know why it's titled as a "1960" Hirsch as most of the parts used are from much later and it certainly doesn't look as early as 1960; I wonder if that's a typo somewhere along the line.
Here's another photo of the car (with Cobra slots) which just about exhausts my supply of pics!
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According to my info the car was built in Orange County CA in the late 1960s
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According to my info the car was built in Orange County CA in the late 1960s
Yes, that looks much more likely to me. I would say it's definitely not 1960.
Orange County, south of LA according to my info!
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Supposedly the steering is from a "Fiero", which, if true, make it a lot newer then that? Also, the rear suspension is supposed to be Datsun 280Z, again making it a lot newer?
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Supposedly the steering is from a "Fiero", which, if true, make it a lot newer then that? Also, the rear suspension is supposed to be Datsun 280Z, again making it a lot newer?
That's right, there's lots that doesn't ring true.
Thought maybe they had been replaced down the years by these later parts.
The history of the car is something of a mystery however, and even its Owner, a Mr Tom Pawlak, doesn't know much.
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another picture with the name on it
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Thanks!
In fact my puzzle pic had the name on before I cruelly removed it..:
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You'll find many hot rods and customs that are titled per the chassis or running gear. Almost never are they titled per their newest components. Could there be a 1960 chassis underneath? Of course. Could be a T-bird, Corvette, or most anything else, given the level of work done here.
The DMV in California states:
California law describes a custom-built car as one that's "built for private use, not for resale, and is not constructed by a licensed manufacturer or remanufacturer."
This one seems to fit that bill, even if the builders later planned to enter series production. THe DMV website goes on to explain:
Restored cars, even if you manufactured parts, aren't custom-built. Modification to body, engine, vehicle systems, or the vehicle's interior also don't qualify. You could add a miniature version of the Caesar's Palace water fountains to the rear deck and your car will still qualify as a regular car, registration-wise.
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You could add a miniature version of the Caesar's Palace water fountains to the rear deck and your car will still qualify as a regular car, registration-wise.
Wouldn't you love to see that?
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Wouldn't you love to see that?
;D
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Thanks for clarifying that Otto.
So you can get the situation where the car is built in maybe 1970 and the name only thought of at that time, yet it is titled as a "1960 Hirsch", at which time they might just have been schoolboys with other thoughts on their minds..!
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Hello,
My name is Tom Pawlak. I own the Hirsch. I am still trying to find the builder of the car. Does anyone know who built it?
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Hello,
My name is Tom Pawlak. I own the Hirsch. I am still trying to find the builder of the car. Does anyone know who built it?
Hello Tom
The following has appeared on Geoff Hacker's Forgotten Fiberglass website; I don't know if you've seen it already?:
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The “Hirsch” is no longer a Mysterion. Its history has been found and this happened when Jeff Hirsch of Hirsch Design contacted me yesterday with the good news. Here’s what I received via e-mail from Jeff:
Dear Geoff,
Let me know what you want to know about the 1965 HIRSCH Roadster (It was called the “Windsor” in an earlier iteration.) I designed and built the roadster between 1993-2003. There was no team of men – just me and an understanding wife.
Thank You,
Jeff Hirsch
HIRSCH DESIGN
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Does that clear it up for you?!
No doubt Geoff will be able to supply you with his address and other details.