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Solved - NEH 1163: Ghia Plymouth XX-500 - 1951
« on: June 21, 2011, 08:45:59 AM »
What's this car, who built it and when?
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« Last Edit: June 24, 2011, 07:07:25 AM by Carnut »
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Re: NEH 1163
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2011, 08:55:11 AM »
Another from the "I cant believe that wasn't a puzzle...." file.
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Re: NEH 1163
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2011, 09:31:36 AM »
Another from the "I cant believe that wasn't a puzzle...." file.

Quite so.
I so couldn't believe it I pored through all the possibilities several times using only individual words, but it just wasn't there!
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Re: NEH 1163
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2011, 04:01:42 PM »
I am positive that it's a repost too. I trust that you did search, Carnut. But as it happens rather often, I think that one of us editors should write a topic about how to use correctly the search engine...
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Re: NEH 1163
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2011, 06:37:22 PM »
I am positive that it's a repost too. I trust that you did search, Carnut. But as it happens rather often, I think that one of us editors should write a topic about how to use correctly the sarch engine...

Well, the searches I do generally show up the car; occasionally I don't do it right and it doesn't produce the result but generally then it is my fault and I know what I've done wrong.  On this occasion I took each individual word and/or number separately and did a Search on it, one of which was 4 pages long but did not bring up this car.

Actually I do seem to recollect that I was going to post this car over a year ago, but didn't as the Search came up with it, but now it really doesn't.  Have you looked?  If you find it do please PM me with where it is and I can change the puzzle!
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Re: NEH 1163
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2011, 03:56:58 AM »
You're right: I know this car very well, have it on my HD, but my search on the site didn't find it too.
So I guess it's just a "I cant believe that wasn't a puzzle...."
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Re: NEH 1163
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2011, 04:04:55 AM »
I've looked and looked as well. I guess we've all seen it multiple times, and assumed it couldn't have gone unpuzzled. Well, except for the Rookies, I guess, who have yet to chime in  ;)
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Re: NEH 1163
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2011, 05:43:11 AM »
You're right: I know this car very well, have it on my HD, but my search on the site didn't find it too.
So I guess it's just a "I cant believe that wasn't a puzzle...."


Who knows - it might reach the Pro's and you might get a point for it!
Somehow, though, I doubt it...
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Re: NEH 1163
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2011, 06:35:03 PM »
Plymouth XX-500 1951 - dream car styled by Ghia..

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Re: NEH 1163
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2011, 04:04:13 AM »
Plymouth XX-500 1951 - dream car styled by Ghia..

Quite so.
At least the omission of it not being a puzzle before has now been corrected!
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Re: Solved - NEH 1163: Ghia Plymouth XX-500 - 1950
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2011, 05:17:46 AM »
As often, I object to naming the car with the name of the coachbuilder first. The brand should come first.
To me it's a 1951 Plymouth XX-500 by Ghia, as magnette put it.
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Re: Solved - NEH 1163: Ghia Plymouth XX-500 - 1950
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2011, 05:23:04 AM »
As often, I object to naming the car with the name of the coachbuilder first. The brand should come first.
To me it's a 1951 Plymouth XX-500 by Ghia, as magnette put it.

I'm happy to change it.
In fact I used to put it after the car but someone (can't remember who) objected that as the car was built in Italy by a coachbuilder their name should come first..  Hence I started to do that since.
What is the rule then?
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Re: Solved - NEH 1163: Ghia Plymouth XX-500 - 1950
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2011, 05:24:28 AM »
A rather clumsy Ghia design.

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Re: Solved - NEH 1163: Ghia Plymouth XX-500 - 1950
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2011, 05:46:00 AM »
As often, I object to naming the car with the name of the coachbuilder first. The brand should come first.
To me it's a 1951 Plymouth XX-500 by Ghia, as magnette put it.

I'm happy to change it.
In fact I used to put it after the car but someone (can't remember who) objected that as the car was built in Italy by a coachbuilder their name should come first.  Hence I started to do that since.
What is the rule then?

American or european builders often commissioned italian designers and coachbuilders to work on their concept cars or special models. That does not mean that all these cars are italian. I believe that every car is a different story, so it's hard to establish a rule, and it could be debated foerever. To me it's just logical to put first the name of the make who commissioned the job.
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Re: Solved - NEH 1163: Plymouth XX-500 by Ghia - 1950
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2011, 05:53:30 AM »
If the manufacturer (Plymouth) commissioned somebody else to design and/or build the car, it's a "Plymouth XX-500 by Ghia". If the coachbuilder and/or design house initiate the project, it's the other way around, as in "Ghia XX-500, based upon a 1951 Plymouth".

It seems this car falls into the latter category:

"The first of Plymouth's postwar concept cars was the XX-500, which was built by Ghia in Italy and designed by that firm's Mario Boano and Luigi Segre. Virgil Exner, who had been named chiefof design in 1952, was not involved directly with this one. It was based on the standard 1951 Plymouth chassis with a wheelbase of 118.5 inches and the standard 217.8-cubic-inch, 97-horsepower inline-six under the hood. The gearbox was a three-speed manual.

The XX-500 wasn't a radically designed car. It was tame even by Ghia's standards. The four-door sedan did have smooth rounded lines that were unusual for a car of the era. It resembled Pininfarina's Cisitalia coupé, even though Ghia built the XX-500. Inside, the upholstery was Bedford Cord and leather. The whole car only cost $10,000 to put togeth-er, which was a bargain even in 1951.

"It was brought over by Ghia," Virgil Exner Jr. told Richard Langworth in Special-Interest Autos, "to show Chrysler their ability and craftsmanship and to get Chrysler to give them some business. In retrospect, the XX-500 was pretty dumpy, but it was built along the lines of what they were doing in Italy at the same lime. The design didn't scale up too well, but it started the whole idea in dad's mind that they could do an advanced design and build it as a real car, as opposed to just mock-ups as in this country."

Approval of the XX-500 project inspired Exner Sr. to set up a small staff to create dream cars for Chrysler. The staff consisted of 17 people, including four designers and several model builders."
« Last Edit: June 24, 2011, 06:02:18 AM by Otto Puzzell »
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Re: Solved - NEH 1163: Plymouth XX-500 by Ghia - 1950
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2011, 06:01:24 AM »
As I said, each car is a different story, and Otto summed this one up (with masterful authority,I reckon).
So, sorry Carnut, you may have to change this topic's titla once more!
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Re: Solved - NEH 1163: Ghia Plymouth XX-500 - 1951
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