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Solved - MJW #565 - Panhard 20cv Type X34 Limousine by Pingret et Breteau 1921 for the Duc de Valencay
« on: August 18, 2011, 10:25:24 AM »
Make, model, year and coachbuilder of this unusual limousine for a point.
An extra point may be on offer if anyone can tell me who it was built for.
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Re: MJW #565
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2011, 03:00:50 PM »
I'm moving some Rookie puzzles up a level as there has been no response to them.....
This is the first for the Experts now.
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Re: MJW #565
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2011, 04:57:29 PM »
It is a Panhard ...
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Re: MJW #565
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2011, 07:45:34 PM »
Yes, it is a Panhard.
Now for the more difficult part....
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Re: MJW #565
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2011, 10:13:59 AM »
it is sans soupapes! :)
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Re: MJW #565
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2011, 05:46:32 AM »
Quote from: qwaszx on August 31, 2011, 10:13:59 AM
it is sans soupapes! :)
I understood that all Panhards from 1920 had sleeve-valves?
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Re: MJW #565
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2011, 02:23:49 PM »
Moving up
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Re: MJW #565
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2011, 02:47:48 PM »
Probably a 35 CV.
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Re: MJW #565
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2011, 02:27:09 AM »
Quote from: Wendax on September 02, 2011, 02:47:48 PM
Probably a 35 CV.
Surprisingly it is almost half that size....
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Re: MJW #565
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2011, 03:52:24 AM »
Surely it's a 16 CV. But I'm intrigued by that box out back. Do the louvers indicate it houses some kind of machinery, such as a generator?
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Re: MJW #565
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2011, 04:03:06 AM »
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on September 03, 2011, 03:52:24 AM
Surely it's a 16 CV. But I'm intrigued by that box out back. Do the louvers indicate it houses some kind of machinery, such as a generator?
Larger than a 16CV.
I really don't know what the rear extension's purpose is.
Interesting to note the lack of headlights and I would imagine that the spare wheel was carried just ahead of the rear wheels.
The photo was probably taken outside the coachbuilder's premises prior to the car being finished.
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Re: MJW #565
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2011, 04:16:36 AM »
Another intriguing thing is those very wide rear wheels and tires. Was that thing in the box so heavy?
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Re: MJW #565
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2011, 12:09:32 PM »
I think this is a 1921 20 HP Limousine Spéciale, Type X34, by Pingret & Breteau and made for the duke of Valençay. The rear wheels are double.
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Re: MJW #565
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2011, 12:41:57 PM »
Quote from: DynaMike on September 04, 2011, 12:09:32 PM
I think this is a 1921 20 HP Limousine Spéciale, Type X34, by Pingret & Breteau and made for the duke of Valençay. The rear wheels are double.
Absolutely correct!
I thought this would be really difficult to solve, so well done and two points to you.
Do you have any more information regarding the structure on the back?
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Re: Solved - MJW #565 - Panhard 20cv Type X34 Limousine by Pingret et Breteau 1921 for the Duc de Va
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2011, 12:57:09 PM »
Thanks for the double points...  :) I'm really sorry I don't have any extra info. This is all that is revealed by Bernard Vermeylen in his great book "Panhard & Levassor - entre tradition et modernité" (éditions ETAI, 2005).
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Re: Solved - MJW #565 - Panhard 20cv Type X34 Limousine by Pingret et Breteau 1921 for the Duc de Va
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2011, 01:46:50 PM »
Quote from: DynaMike on September 04, 2011, 12:57:09 PM
Thanks for the double points...  :) I'm really sorry I don't have any extra info. This is all that is revealed by Bernard Vermeylen in his great book "Panhard & Levassor - entre tradition et modernité" (éditions ETAI, 2005).
That book is on my wants list.
My info comes from another excellent book - "Gotha de l'Automobile Francaise" by Claude Rouxel & Laurent Friry.
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