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Solved - MJW #405 - Neumann-Neander Fahrmaschine 1938 (with plywood body)
« on: May 10, 2011, 01:45:30 AM »
Make, model and year of this unusual car please
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Re: MJW #405
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2011, 11:31:05 PM »
Perhaps an Expert knows this one?
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Re: MJW #405
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2011, 02:46:15 AM »
Neander Pionier, build by Ernst Neumann-Neander.
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Re: MJW #405
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2011, 02:56:16 AM »
Quote from: Delorean on May 18, 2011, 02:46:15 AM
Neander Pionier, build by Ernst Neumann-Neander.
Yes it is but I need a year for the point.
Locked for you.
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Re: MJW #405
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2011, 03:08:46 AM »
Ernst 'Neander' Neumann build bikes between 1927 and 1931.
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Re: MJW #405
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2011, 08:17:03 AM »
Quote from: Delorean on May 18, 2011, 03:08:46 AM
Ernst 'Neander' Neumann build bikes between 1927 and 1931.
That's true but this car was not built between 1927-1931.
I'll keep it locked for you for the year.
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Re: MJW #405
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2011, 05:27:14 PM »
It was build in 1934 and has a 1 litre motorcycle engine ...
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Re: MJW #405
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2011, 12:52:43 PM »
Quote from: Delorean on May 18, 2011, 05:27:14 PM
It was build in 1934 and has a 1 litre motorcycle engine ...
Yes, that's correct. One more point for you.
In 1934 Neander began to make the Pionier, a tandem 2-seater with an aluminium body powered by a front-mounted 1000cc JAP 2-cylinder engine driving the front wheels without the need for a differential.
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Re: Solved - MJW #405 - Neander Pionier tandem 2-seater with a JAP 1000cc engine 1934
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2011, 01:06:05 PM »
Sorry to correct you, but this one is not a Pionier.

It is right that the first Pionier was built in 1934. Its public presentation was in 1935. It featured a 600 cc Küchen engine.

The pictured car is the Neumann-Neander Fahrmaschine built in 1938 for Gottfried Vollmer as a racing car. It was powered with a 1000 cc JAP engine producing 70 hp. After a crash at Schotten in 1938 the plywood body was replaced by a more conventional aluminium monoposto body built by Hebmüller, which could be seen as puzzle car #13 in a group puzzle:
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=13096.0
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Re: Solved - MJW #405 - Neander Pionier tandem 2-seater with a JAP 1000cc engine 1934
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2011, 01:15:53 PM »
Quote from: Wendax on May 19, 2011, 01:06:05 PM
Sorry to correct you, but this one is not a Pionier.

It is right that the first Pionier was built in 1934. Its public presentation was in 1935. It featured a 600 cc Küchen engine.

The pictured car is the Neumann-Neander Fahrmaschine built in 1938 for Gottfried Vollmer as a racing car. It was powered with a 1000 cc JAP engine producing 70 hp. After a crash at Schotten in 1938 the plywood body was replaced by a more conventional aluminium monoposto body built by Hebmüller, which could be seen as puzzle car #13 in a group puzzle:
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=13096.0

Well it just proves that many (normally reliable) book sources are often wrong.
The puzzle car picture comes from Georgano's Beaulieu Encyclopedia and is attributed to the National Motor Museum.

Thanks for pointing that out Wendax and I'll alter the title.
I'll also leave the point I gave to delorean as he probably found an erroneous source also.
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Re: Solved - MJW #405 - Neumann-Neander Fahrmaschine 1938 (with plywood body)
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2011, 01:31:08 PM »
As usual, just additional information  ;)

I got my information from the book "Neander - Ernst Neumann-Neander und seine Fahrmaschinen" by Thomas Trapp, 140 pages and loads of pictures just about N2's cars. He also wrote a similar book about the Neander motorbikes.
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Re: Solved - MJW #405 - Neumann-Neander Fahrmaschine 1938 (with plywood body)
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2011, 01:34:29 PM »
Thanks Wendax.
That's what I like about this site, you come across so many new interesting sources and start to learn a new language at the same time!
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Re: Solved - MJW #405 - Neumann-Neander Fahrmaschine 1938 (with plywood body)
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2011, 04:46:20 PM »
Though he liked to call them "Volkswagen" as well.
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Re: Solved - MJW #405 - Neumann-Neander Fahrmaschine 1938 (with plywood body)
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2011, 02:21:30 AM »
I don't have to many books, but I found my info in a book called 'Weird Cars' (the one with the Helica on the cover). I know a lot of carnames out of my head, but it's the year of construction that I often have to look up, either in books or on the net. In my book it said 1934 as the year of build, so that was the answer I have ...
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Re: Solved - MJW #405 - Neumann-Neander Fahrmaschine 1938 (with plywood body)
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2017, 04:21:53 PM »
Another picture:
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