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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2011 => Topic started by: woodinsight on October 01, 2010, 02:18:13 PM

Title: Solved - MJW #044 - Tai-phun, the car that never existed
Post by: woodinsight on October 01, 2010, 02:18:13 PM
Make and year for one point
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: Aaron65 on October 01, 2010, 09:36:05 PM
Total guess--1960 Sinjin Publica
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: woodinsight on October 02, 2010, 01:00:31 AM
Sorry but it's not that
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: woodinsight on October 06, 2010, 03:18:17 PM
I'm moving this up a level
Perhaps the experts know what this is?
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: fyreline on October 06, 2010, 04:07:18 PM
Well, it's based on a Datsun P210 (about 1958) from the look of it - but the body is decidedly custom and I will assume THAT's what you really want to know . . . . .
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: barrett on October 06, 2010, 04:13:45 PM
It looks to me like the 'modifications' have been crudely drawn in......  ???
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: fyreline on October 06, 2010, 04:22:39 PM
I kind of thought so, too . . . . is it possible the little "500" pennant on the front has any significance?  It looks like an extremely deluxe version of the base car.
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: yves on October 06, 2010, 05:39:42 PM
I think it's the Yue Loong 500, a Taiwanese-built version of the Datsun Bluebird.
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: fyreline on October 06, 2010, 06:41:21 PM
That's a great guess, Yves. I can't seem to find any photo references of YLN cars that early, just later Datsun variants. Could be.
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: woodinsight on October 07, 2010, 12:07:42 AM
Interesting thoughts from you all!

However, I can tell you the following -
It is not Japanese nor from Taiwan.
I have no idea what the pennant with 500 on it means.
This is an original photo of the car (only registration no. and writing on placard on roof have been altered) but you are right in a way, there is something strange about it that was intentional at the time.
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: woodinsight on October 07, 2010, 12:26:26 AM
Just found out that the 500 on the pennant is part of the model name.
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: yves on October 09, 2010, 02:26:18 PM
From South Korea ?
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: woodinsight on October 09, 2010, 02:33:02 PM
Not from South Korea but it is Asian (obviously) and from a former colony.
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: woodinsight on October 09, 2010, 02:37:57 PM
I'll probably move this up to the pros soon so before I do that do you see something odd in the proportions of the girl to the car?
That I think is the last clue before it goes upstairs
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: yves on October 10, 2010, 02:09:36 PM
From South Vietnam and based on a Nissan 580 truck chassis. I have no clue about the name.
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: woodinsight on October 10, 2010, 03:04:17 PM
Malheureusement non!
Not from South Vietnam and nothing to do with Nissan.
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: woodinsight on October 10, 2010, 03:14:46 PM
I wonder if the pros know?
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: Allemano on October 10, 2010, 03:22:58 PM
from China?
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: woodinsight on October 10, 2010, 03:33:44 PM
The country where this car was built was not part of China then!
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: Allemano on October 10, 2010, 03:35:31 PM
Tibet?  :o
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: yves on October 10, 2010, 05:45:07 PM
Hong Kong ?
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: woodinsight on October 10, 2010, 06:40:03 PM
Not Tibet but Yves has got it - Hong Kong
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: DynaMike on October 11, 2010, 06:26:44 AM
Surprising to see it is LHD, since they drive on the left side of the road in Hongkong...
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: woodinsight on October 11, 2010, 06:56:07 AM
LHD - yes, but I have a feeling that the car was intended for export markets.
Another clue - the backers were American/Italian.
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: fyreline on October 11, 2010, 10:43:39 AM
Is it possible that the photo of the car was enlarged, then inserted in the rest of the photo in order to make the vehicle look larger than it really was?  In any case, I figured Hong Kong had to enter into it, but you've really thrown me with your "nothing to do with Nissan" clue. From the cowl forward it's a blatant copy of an early Datsun, so perhaps someone ended up getting named in a lawsuit!  Anyway, I'll keep looking.
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: woodinsight on October 11, 2010, 01:35:09 PM
HOLD IT EVERYONE!
I think I have a very large egg on my face!

Fyreline rightfully pointed out that the front end of this car was a blatant copy of an early Datsun which any manufacturer would never have got away with.

I then looked through the article again and found to my horror that the article (in a UK motoring magazine) was dated April 1991 and although appearing feasible at first look there were some strange reports from other magazines/newspapers who had apparently tried/tested the car.

What I believe I have found is an elaborate "April Fool's Joke" that certainly fooled me! (my embarrassment as a so-called Expert knows no bounds). Damn - I should have posted this on the 1st. April!

So - what to do?
Post the article in full or continue posing the puzzle by asking what was the name of this car featured in this article?

I'll leave it for you dear AutoPuzzlers to decide........(I'm still happy to award points to those who posted answers to this puzzle by way of recompense for your time and effort)





Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: pnegyesi on October 11, 2010, 01:59:42 PM
Built in the 1930s?
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: fyreline on October 11, 2010, 02:03:11 PM
Just my opinion, and I'm relatively new around here so bear that in mind . . . but I would say just post the article so we can see what you saw, and we'll all learn from it. For my own part, no points requested or required.  No harm, no foul.

While it always seemed to me that the car was a liiiiiiiiitle too big for one of these very early Datsuns, one "big" giveaway was the size of the tires.  Those things would have been HUGE on this car!  I was a little frustrated in not being able to find where Datsuns were ever built in Hong Kong, so I figured maybe a dealer conversion to attract showroom traffic.  Well, it certainly attracted some traffic on this forum . . . and that's always half the fun!

So no worries, woodinsight - and keep challenging us!
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: woodinsight on October 11, 2010, 03:39:04 PM
No problem but it'll teach me to look VERY closely at some obscure cars that I come across sometimes.

One of the quite strange things to me initially was the founder's daughter standing next to the car.

She was stated to be dressed up to look like an adult to emphasise the car's size and yet she was said to be only six years old!

Whatever, I'll wait on others commenting before I post the full story on this "April Fool's Joke".

Watch this space........
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: pnegyesi on October 11, 2010, 11:07:24 PM
Yes, please post the original story. I did not notice your 'hold' message that's why I asked further questions
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: Otto Puzzell on October 12, 2010, 04:25:10 AM
No worries, woodinsight. Please share the story - it sounds quite interesting!
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: woodinsight on October 12, 2010, 05:10:00 AM
Thanks, I'll scan it and post it today.

Maybe we can start a new topic - great automobile frauds and fakes - I can think of quite a few!

I just wished that I had posted it on 1st. April!
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: Otto Puzzell on October 12, 2010, 06:03:34 AM
We had a good discussion of the "Dale" here, some time back.  ;D
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: woodinsight on October 12, 2010, 08:36:26 AM
Here is some lighthearted reading for you all regarding this unsolvable puzzle!

I'll put in the Solved section for the moment until I find a better home for it. (BH perhaps) 

Talking of Black Holes, I hope those guys trapped in the mine in Chile make it out safely in the next few hours.
Fingers crossed for them and their families.



Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: Otto Puzzell on October 12, 2010, 01:36:37 PM
I suppose the name should have given you your first inkling that mischief was afoot.  ;)
Title: Re: MJW #044
Post by: woodinsight on October 12, 2010, 05:29:15 PM
I know Otto - I must confess I only briefly read the first two pages of the article - the 3rd was on the reverse of the 2nd.
Anyway, as Fyreline said it generated some traffic on the site and was a puzzle with a difference!
It'll teach me to read things more carefully before I commit to posting.
Title: Re: Solved - MJW #044 - Tai-phun, the car that never existed
Post by: woodinsight on July 27, 2011, 08:32:09 AM
I've just come across the original photo that was used in this fake article.
As you see it is a Yue Loong (dating from the late 1950s) and I'm going to give a belated point to Yves for being the first to spot it's true identity. You'll be interested to compare the puzzle car with the one below to see how they doctored the original photo.
Thank you to everyone who spent time on a fruitless search for this non-existent car.