Author Topic: Solved: Allemano's № 624 - 1962 Morgan Saloon built by the Swiss Morgan Importer  (Read 1337 times)

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Re: Allemano's № 624
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2011, 07:16:55 AM »
Experts!

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Re: Allemano's № 624
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2011, 07:41:06 AM »
Well it's clearly not an Ashley Sportiva because that would be a repost!
A Sportiva body was mated to a Ballamy chassis to make the prototype Israeli Sabra sports car, which then went into production with an uglified nose and also because the Reliant Sabre.

So is it that first Sabra prototype?
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Re: Allemano's № 624
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2011, 07:48:01 AM »
You pointed me out the strong Ashley Sportiva resemblance, but my quite reliable source reports nothing about it.
Neither any Reliant Sabre relation is mentioned.
The brand isn't obsure at all, but this particular car is..

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Re: Allemano's № 624
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2011, 08:10:28 AM »
LMB?

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Re: Allemano's № 624
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2011, 08:20:34 AM »

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Re: Allemano's № 624
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2011, 08:33:50 AM »
You heard me!

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Re: Allemano's № 624
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2011, 08:37:13 AM »
Okay okay — not a LMB. ;D

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Re: Allemano's № 624
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2011, 09:03:37 AM »
Morgan Saloon, 1962 - an attempt for a more modern-styled Morgan. First seen at Geneva Auto Show and Triumph-engined - like all the Morgans at that time.

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Re: Allemano's № 624
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2011, 09:06:45 AM »
Well done!
BTW: has it been an official Morgan project? ;)

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Re: Allemano's № 624
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2011, 10:02:08 AM »
Well franck you really do surprise me there.
Below are pictures of the Ashley Sportiva, which you can clearly see is the same body as the puzzle picture.  Certainly EB (Edwards Brothers, who had taken over the Ballamy projects) were involved both with Ashley and with Morgan at that time, but I certainly never knew they had actually put an Ashley body on to a Morgan chassis and called it a Morgan!

What they had done with the Ashley body was mated it to an EB chassis to produce the Sabra prototype, as I said in my reply.  Also what EB were doing was designing a more up-to-date Morgan for Peter Morgan as an official job, but the result of that, as far as I knew, was the domed-roof Morgan Plus 4 Plus, not this car, which frankly was nothing new having been in production for some years already as an Ashley and was also the basis for the new Sabra and Reliant Sabre sports cars!  What were they thinking about?

Whose stand is that then that the puzzle photo depicts?  I'll have to do a lot more digging to find out the truth behind this story, because I suspect that some misinformation has spread into the system somewhere and is now accepted fact...

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Re: Allemano's № 624
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2011, 10:06:35 AM »
As I've asked before: was it an official Morgan authorized project? The answer is to find somewhere on the internet...
I give franck.kegelart a point for identifying the right car and give another to the one who tells me the whole story...

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Re: Allemano's № 624
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2011, 10:13:41 AM »
As I've asked before: was it an official Morgan authorized project? The answer is to find somewhere on the internet...

I thought you were asking because you didn't know, but maybe you're asking because you do know?

The only other thing I could think of is that since the new Plus 4 Plus body wasn't ready yet but they had an Ashley body kicking around from other projects they used it to avoid putting a bare chassis on to the show stand?  But it was never their intention to actually market this Morgan with this body?
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Re: Allemano's № 624
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2011, 10:17:48 AM »
No, it went different back then..
That it was shown first in Geneva gives something to think about..
« Last Edit: May 26, 2011, 04:17:08 AM by Allemano »

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Re: Allemano's № 624
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2011, 08:10:40 PM »
It was actually built by the Swiss Morgan Importer! (sorry don't have the name of that firm)

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Re: Allemano's № 624
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2011, 03:01:18 AM »
It was actually built by the Swiss Morgan Importer! (sorry don't have the name of that firm)
Well done, I don't have the name either.

So, can you tell the whole story now? Locked for you!

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Re: Allemano's № 624
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2011, 01:39:33 AM »
Barrett, I give you another 24h to complete, after that it's open again.

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Re: Allemano's № 624
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2011, 05:35:07 AM »
Open again for all experts. So, what did this Swiss Morgan Importer and what happened, then?

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Re: Allemano's № 624
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2011, 07:54:57 AM »
Apparently it was not an official project, and when Morgan saw this car on display at the Geneva Show they were Not Amused and ordered the Importer to destroy it if they wanted to continue to have any Morgans delivered to them!

They didn't however and I understand the car still survives to this day..

Whether the Importer continued to be allowed to import Morgans I don't know!
« Last Edit: May 31, 2011, 07:57:45 AM by Carnut »
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Re: Allemano's № 624
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2011, 09:18:36 AM »
Apparently it was not an official project, and when Morgan saw this car on display at the Geneva Show they were Not Amused and ordered the Importer to destroy it if they wanted to continue to have any Morgans delivered to them!

They didn't however and I understand the car still survives to this day..

Whether the Importer continued to be allowed to import Morgans I don't know!
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Re: Allemano's № 624
« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2011, 06:13:51 AM »
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