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PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« on: March 23, 2011, 12:25:15 PM »
Tell me all you know about this car and 1 point will be yours.
(this is not that hard  ;))

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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2011, 03:35:30 PM »
I've never seen this before, is it Italian-based car from the USA?

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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2011, 03:41:21 PM »
Not Italian-based.

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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2011, 05:41:58 PM »
Chevy V8 inside?

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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2011, 05:47:24 PM »
Not Chevy...

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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2011, 06:01:47 PM »
Malen Mk1, by any chance?

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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2011, 06:13:28 PM »
Not that...

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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2011, 05:48:28 AM »
This car is featured in a book covering this kind of cars.
It is not an obscure racer of his kind...

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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2011, 08:54:36 PM »
I'm a bit stumped with this one at the moment.
Can I ask if it has an American chassis and engine?

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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2011, 03:42:31 AM »
This picture shows a later development of a sport car.
It had different engines (Ford and Cadillac) but this one has got another one.
The body comes from another known name.
The engine and the body originally fitted (later modified) are both American.
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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2011, 03:46:18 AM »
This car is featured in a book covering this kind of cars.
It is not an obscure racer of his kind...
... but not pictured I guess? Or do you talk about another book?  ;)

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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2011, 03:53:13 AM »
That book and for who is wonder which one, the one about Vintage American Road Racing Cars...
No pictures and a different engine.

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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2011, 03:55:27 AM »
okay, will check it later... ;)

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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2011, 04:05:00 AM »
Eave Special?
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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2011, 04:14:21 AM »
Eave Special?
Not Meteor-body or Chevrolet\Oldsmobile engine...and not Eave.  ;)

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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2011, 04:33:00 AM »
It wasn't Crosley engined, was it?
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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2011, 04:36:26 AM »
Not Crosley...nearly ten times Crosley's capacity  ;D

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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2011, 04:56:15 AM »
X-Ray Special?
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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2011, 04:57:30 AM »
Not a Chrysler engine and not an X-Ray Special..

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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2011, 05:10:01 AM »
El Toro (3) later Goldenrod?
Jack Baker's Black Jack Special of 1961?
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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2011, 05:26:38 AM »
El Toro (3) later Goldenrod?
They have both the same engine (Pontiac) but you won't find this car with that engine in that book and the body is not by Byers.

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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2011, 05:28:35 AM »
Apologies - I amended my post to Jack Baker's Black Jack Special at the last moment..

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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2011, 05:33:01 AM »
I saw it but not that either (and not Ford\Cobra-Jaguar engine).

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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2011, 05:42:51 AM »
Was there a Mercury engine involved in this project?
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Re: PJ - 398 - Who will be the 1st?
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2011, 05:46:23 AM »
This car have a Pontiac engine.
In that book you can find a different sport with a different engine.
Not my source (or the book) reports a Mercury engine.