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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #775 on: February 13, 2010, 11:47:04 AM »
UrSaab and Volvo PV 544:



Both were made into soldout keychains by Playsam:


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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #776 on: February 13, 2010, 12:23:06 PM »
Nice one!  :thumbsup:

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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #777 on: February 13, 2010, 03:45:55 PM »
Volvo PV 544      and      1951 Ford Taunus,    because both were known in Germany by the nickname 'Buckel...' ('Buckelvolvo' and 'Buckeltaunus')...
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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #778 on: February 13, 2010, 05:46:06 PM »
74,128 is the number that connects the post-war Buckel Taunus to this Kia Carens

For the Taunus it is the number of cars produced
For the Kia it is the number of km's on the odometer.

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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #779 on: February 14, 2010, 03:30:19 AM »
Volvo PV 544      and      1951 Ford Taunus,    because both were known in Germany by the nickname 'Buckel...' ('Buckelvolvo' and 'Buckeltaunus')...
Strange but true, it's not been used before!
74,128 is the number that connects the post-war Buckel Taunus to this Kia Carens
For the Taunus it is the number of cars produced
For the Kia it is the number of km's on the odometer.
That is not valid...the connection has to be valid in general and the link can't be related to a specific exemplar.
Some exceptions can be done, like the 1st one built, a BMW Art Car, a prototype, a car that raced a specific race...etc, but I won't accept connections like "Fiat Punto e Lancia Lybra (both cars were owned by my uncle)" or "Renault Scenic and Citroen Xsara (both parked in front at that shop)".
The connection has to define the car. ;)

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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #780 on: February 14, 2010, 04:42:59 AM »
230 cars so far...
Who's next?
Volvo PV 544              and      1951 Ford Taunus,    because both were known in Germany by the nickname 'Buckel...'
Ford Taunus 1951    and       what car?                    why?

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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #781 on: February 14, 2010, 06:58:30 AM »
1951 Ford Taunus and this Ural 4320  Both are named after a Mountain chain / region.

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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #782 on: February 15, 2010, 10:08:24 AM »
I hope in this form it will be easier to check the connections.  ;)

BADGES
both manufacturers have a badge featuring the coat of arms of their cities of origin
both manufacturers have a badge featuring firearms
both manufacturers have a badge featuring twice the same letter (M)
BODY
both cars are coachbuilt specials based on a popular production car from a different continent
Both cars are factory-built 2-door pillarless coupes based on the regular 4-door sedan model
both cars are missing of a part (lights)
both cars are pick up versions of sedans also being offered
Both cars are said to be Reverse Engineered from their originals
both cars are woodies
both cars feature hand-cut tires featuring the carmaker's logo
Both cars had a rear wing that put its downforce straight onto the rear uprights
Both cars had outside door hinges
both cars have a coachbuilt version of the same design (Savonuzzi's Supersonic)
Both cars have a fibreglass body
both cars have a luggage compartment above the (underfloor) engine
both cars have devices to aid aerodynamics
both cars have different (asymmetrical) side views
both cars have hidden headlight that were opened mechanically
both cars have not a bootlid
both cars have the same body style elements
both cars have the same coachbuild body, on the same chassis of the same year
both cars have the same top configuration
both cars have the same type of doors
Both cars started out as a convertible, and got modified with a metal roof later
both cars were introduced with bodies made of a lightweight material, and then switched to steel
both coachbuilders were official suppliers to the Dutch Royal Household
both manufacturers had a specific coachwork for a country
COMPANY
both cars were built in a mothballed, decommissioned military aircraft assembly facility
both cars were built in the same city
both cars were built in the same factory building
both cars were racecars built by car manufacturers that also produced Trucks and Busses
both manufacturers are better known for their commercial vehicles
Both manufacturers changed names
both manufacturers had their origins in producing versions of the same vehicle (Micheaux Velocipede)
both manufacturers later on made a car in collaboration with another one
both manufacturers lost factories to the Germans as part of War Reparations
both manufacturers made an unorthodox vehicle (gyroscopic car)
both manufacturers produced the same non-automotive object (traffic signs)
both manufacturers started car production with cars built under license from another company
both manufacturers tried to bend the rules a bit to get then accepted for Sportscar Racing
both manufacturers were owned by tire companies
both manufacturers were part of the same company (GM)
both manufacturers were sued for making knockoff’s
both manufacturies were created as a joint venture
one manufacturer built under license the aircraft engines designed by the other company
one manufacturer built both cars
EVENT
both cars are concept cars\prototype used by books\movies\... characters
both cars are in the same collection\museum\display\show\event
both cars are named after a race venue where they would not compete
both cars debuted in the same event
both cars had a political assassinated in it
both cars had safety heavily criticized by Ralph Nader with lawsuits as a result
both cars star in a film (that bears their name)
both cars were delivered in the nick of time, driven by one or more of its engineers
both cars were in the same list (of an international beauty contest)
both cars were saved by the same buyer
both cars won International competitions driven by their constructors
both cars won the same award
both cars won the same race (Monaco)
both cars won the same race the same number of times in a row
NAMES\NICKNAMES
both cars are in museums with a name starting with the same letter
both cars are named after a lady who had a relative who was important in the creation of the vehicle
both cars are named after a mythological flying creature
both cars are named after a snake
both cars are named after a wind
both cars are named after daughters of the cars distributors
both cars are named after geographic places (islands)
both cars are named after meteorological events
both cars are named after motorcycles made by another manufacturer
both cars are named after polish heavy metal bands (Hunter and Turbo)
both cars are named after political offices (in the Roman Republic)
both cars are named after the (11th) letter of 2 different alphabets (greek and latin)
both cars are named after the same object\thing (port)
Both cars are named in sequential order both chronologically, and alphabetically
both cars are standard production models named after the body manufacturer
both cars have a name containing a letter from the Greek alphabet
both cars have a name containing an acronym that refers to a different company
both cars have a name containing historically contaminated abbreviations
both cars have a name containing only one vowel repeated six times
both cars have a name containing the initials of the company owner
both cars have a name containing the name of the same colour
both cars have a name containing the same initials (HRH)
both cars have a name referring to a lack of light
Both cars have a name referring to a person who tend to use a gun
both cars have a name referring to different manufacturers
both cars have a name referring to modernity (progressiveness; avant garde)
both cars have a name referring to novels by the same author (Francis Scott Key Fitzgerald)
both cars have a name that is a diminuitive of the make
both cars have a name that is the pronounciation of just two letters (JP - JC )
both cars have a type code shared with a thing\object ( B vitamin)
both cars have the same code name (B11)
both cars have the same name
both cars have the same name in different language
both cars share their name with at least one exit /interchange on the US Interstate highway system
both cars were advertised using the same word\words
both cars were produced at factories which were named after the politic leaders of their countries
both manufacturers are named after both their founders one of whom of each co. also prod. cars under their own name before
both manufacturers are named after members of the cat group of animals
both manufacturers are named after metals
Both manufacturers are named after the owner, who were Hot Rodders, raced Nascar, and both teams were active in F1 and Indy
both manufacturers are named after their founders, but with a small change in the name
both manufacturers have the same name
both manufacturers share their name with earlier makes from the same country started the same year
both manufacturers were the car-building arm of a 3-letter company and named after a latin  first person statement
one car has a name containing the other manufaturer's name
one car is named after a circuit the other drove in
one car is named after a vessil and the other is a sea-going car
one car is named after the driver of the other
one car is named after the man who founded the city that shares the name with the other
one car is named after the pet companion of a character that shares the name with the second car
one car shares its name with the part the other introduced first time
one car shares its name with the actor who played in a movie featuring the other car
one car shares its name with the art movement followed by the painter who paint the other
one car shares its name with the nickname of the other
one car shares its name with the number of cars produced (in that model year) of the other
one car shares its name with the number of one dimension of the other (wheelbase)
one car shares its name with the special version of the other
one car shares its name with the name of the engine of the other
both cars have a nickname alluding to the car's diminutive size, compared to its stablemates
both cars have a nickname containing the same word
both cars have a nickname that is the same in the same country
one car shares its nickname with the hood ornament of the other
the engine of one car share its nickname with the hood ornament of the other
PERSON
both cars had engineers who worked for the same company\model
both cars had the same engineer                                         
both cars reached production because of visionaries born in the same year
both cars reached production though a cash infusion from the same financier
both cars were designed by a designer with a own company and built by another one
both cars were designed by a father and son combo
both cars were designed by designers who started on airships
Both cars were designed by designers who would go on to work on versions of the same car
both cars were designed by someone who was of the same origin
both cars were designed by the same man
founder's relatives were tied to their early automotive empires
one builder worked for the builder of the other car
one manufacturer built the engines for the airships made in the company directed by the other
relative of one builder worked for the builder of the other car
the builder of the 1st car was a pilot in the 2nd
the designer of one car worked in the design-house of the second
the features of the first car were credited to the designer of the 2nd(L.Brennan)
the same man designed one car and the car which inspired the other
the same man designed some adverts for both cars
the same man drove both cars
the same man owned the design-house of the 1st and was a dealer for the 2nd
the same man was director of the first and founded the second company
the same person designed both their engines
the same person have both cars names in his titles     
PRODUCTION
both cars are the most recent and the oldest versions of a Jeep
both cars derived from a prototype made for another company
both cars derived from other cars
both cars derived from the same car
both cars had equivalents in other countries
both cars had later revival projects
both cars had modern day reincarnations
both cars had only one official colour scheme
both cars had racing versions built by the same company
both cars have been affected by superstiction
both cars have been replaced by an EVO version
both cars were built by Volkswagen dealers
Both cars were choose in their respective countries to use as a Taxi
both cars were later adapted to a rear, air-cooled-engine, cab-over pickup derivative and a military vehicle
both cars were limited production based on production cars
both cars were modified civilian version of a vehicle commissioned by the US Government
both cars were one-off
both cars were produced for more than 20 years
both cars were produced in the same countries; (USA, Great Britain, France and Germany)
both cars were produced in the same country
both cars were produced in the same year
both cars were produced under licence (in Iran) from other manufacturers
both cars were RHD built and sold in countries with right hand traffic
both cars were sold at the same amount of money in different value.
both cars were sold in a later period under a different brand name
both cars were the base for a flying car
both cars were the base for racing cars
both cars were the first automotive products of a company, which was previously occupied with military efforts
both cars were the first cars produced by their makers
both cars were the first mass produced cars in their continent
both cars were the first new model on sale after manufacturers relinquished control to another
both cars were the last passenger car models of the companies
Both cars were the product of three countries
both cars were used as police cars
Both companies were manufacturing a model with similar power units at (almost) the same time
one car is a styling mockup that became the other car
one car was the mirror image of the other
the last model of both builders derives from the same car
TECHNICAL SPECS
both cars are made on a chassis specially made for taxi purposes
both cars are powered by motorcycle engines
both cars are the high-output version of a standard model
both cars first introduced the same feature, one in the world, the other for its builder
both cars have a Beetle based replica
both cars have a six-wheeled version
both cars have a transversely mounted engine that shared the engine oil with the gearbox it was mounted to
both cars have an aluminium box section chassis
both cars have an instrument panel that could be reconfigured to each drivers' preferences
both cars have exceptional technical specs
both cars have one identical dimension (width)
both cars have significant narrower back axle trackwidths
both cars have similarities in the change-speed mechanism (both involve belts)
both cars have similarities in the steering mechanism (centre-point and wire-and-bobbin)
both cars have similarities in the suspension system (rubber torsion springs)
both cars have the same Citroen-patented hydropneumatic system
both cars have the same CV number
both cars have the same engine
both cars have the same engine layout (flat-twin)
both cars have the same mileage radius
both cars have the same position of the engine (rear-engine)
both cars have the same seating layout (tandem)
both cars have the same source of energy (steam-electric-hybrid-diesel-solar)
both cars have the same traction (FWD-AWD-RWD) 
both cars have the same weight\output ratio
both cars have the same wheels\disc brakes
both cars have the seats placed on the rear axle
both cars officially wore only Pirelli tyres
both cars used a version  of a "Rope Drive " or " Rope Shaft "
both cars used automatic transmissions despite their racing nature
both cars were available in either front-engine or rear-engine configuration
both cars were available with a supercharger
both cars were available with a Wankel engine
one car was built upon the platform which has become the basis for the other car's platform
one car was the first to use an engine and the other was the first to use the SuperCharged version of that
the engine of one car is the evolution of the engine of the other
UNCATEGORIZED
both are commonly - and incorrectly - referred to as the first of its kind
both have been named as an inspiration for the same car
both were made into soldout keychains by same company
one car commenced production the same date the second appeared on a magazine's ads
one car inspired the other
one is a hot rod tribute to the other one
the same object was designed by the designer of 1st car and inspired the design of the 2nd

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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #783 on: February 15, 2010, 10:10:15 AM »
1951 Ford Taunus and this Ural 4320 Both are named after a Mountain chain / region.
Sounds suspiciously similar to "both cars are named after geographic places "  :-\
« Last Edit: February 15, 2010, 02:33:30 PM by Paul Jaray »

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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #784 on: February 15, 2010, 01:56:33 PM »
1951 Ford Taunus and 1961 Ford Consul Capri.

The Taunus was the first German Ford to have hydraulic brakes, the Consul Capri was the first English Ford to have front disc brakes.


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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #785 on: February 15, 2010, 02:35:09 PM »
1961 Ford Consul Capri and 1959 Citroen Bijou.

The Consul Capri was Ford of England's first post-War pillarless two-door coupe, and...

The Bijou was Citroen of England's first (and only) post-War pillarless two-coupe coupe.
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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #786 on: March 04, 2010, 03:05:17 PM »
1961 Ford Consul Capri and 1959 Citroen Bijou

Who's next?

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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #787 on: March 04, 2010, 03:16:20 PM »
1959 Citroen Bijou and 1959 Lotus Elite
Both were the first cars with fibreglass bodies made by their manufacturers
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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #788 on: March 05, 2010, 12:21:03 AM »
1959 Citroen Bijou and 1959 Lotus Elite
Both were the first cars with fibreglass bodies made by their manufacturers


And both bodies designed by Peter Kirwan Taylor...
« Last Edit: March 05, 2010, 12:37:27 AM by metalshapes »

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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #789 on: March 05, 2010, 12:32:39 AM »
1959 Lotus Elite and Ralph Watson's  Lycoming Special.

They both had an engine which was not designed to power a car.

The Elite had a Firepump engine, the Lycoming Spl. had an Airplane engine.


( pic shows Jimmy Clark driving...)

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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #790 on: March 05, 2010, 04:11:45 AM »
Well the FW (=FeatherWeight) C/Climax was an 1020cc firepump motor but in about 1953 it was adapted for use in cars as the 1097cc FWA (=FeatherWeightAutomobile) and first raced at Le Mans in a Kieft in 1954. A 1460cc version was named FWB (I think B just came after A!) and the 1216cc FWE (=FeatherWeightElite) which used the bore of FWB and stroke of FWA was therefore the third generation of Automobile engine, so the firepump was getting a little remote.
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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #791 on: March 05, 2010, 12:33:33 PM »
so the firepump was getting a little remote.

Sorry, I disagree...

It is clearly the same family of engines.

And for example, it still had had some Fire Pump quirks in its Elite version.
Like the high oil consumption.
( because a Firepump needs to be able to run flat out right away )

Jay Chamberlain tried to explain that away in a creative way, in some of his ads....

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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #792 on: March 06, 2010, 03:01:42 AM »
Everyday I learn something new!
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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #793 on: March 06, 2010, 04:34:21 AM »
The Coventry Climax car engine is very closely related to the fire pump engine. I sold this engine a few years ago, it is now powering a Bobtail Cooper, The head and block are the same, just the internals and ancillaries are different.

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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #794 on: March 06, 2010, 04:50:30 AM »
I think you are all saying the same, Metalshapes found the connection between the 2 cars (They both had an engine which was not designed to power a car) that is correct because (as also Allan wrote) that engine was indeed born as a firepump. I think Allan was adding more details about the engine that, even if it was born as a firepump, was later developed and in its stage mounted on the Lotus, was remotely connected to a firepump...and that's why I proposed this chain, to learn such details!

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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #795 on: March 06, 2010, 05:01:13 AM »
Lycoming Special and the Steyr Allard.

Both vehicles are named after the engines that powered them.


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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #796 on: March 06, 2010, 02:01:10 PM »
Steyr Allard, and the Allard Front Engined Dragster.

Both are Racers, built by Sidney Allard that had no cooling system on their ( foreign ) V8 engines.

The Austrian Steyr was aircooled but had no fans, which was fine for a Hillclimb Racecar.

The American Chrysler Hemi had no radiator, which was fine for a 1/4 mile Dragracer.

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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #797 on: March 20, 2010, 09:16:20 AM »
Is this the end?

Allard Dragster  and  what car ?   why?

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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #798 on: March 21, 2010, 04:02:25 AM »
I lost interest when I had to start justifying my every post to a certain party.
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Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #799 on: March 21, 2010, 04:33:40 AM »
I lost interest when I had to start justifying my every post to a certain party.
:shakehead:

You have not to justify your posts...as I wrote from the beginning, I can't know everything, that's why I rely on and I trust your connections.
If someone else disagree, well let's ear his opinion and then I'll decide...so far I accepted almost every connection I received (except for immaginary cars or connections already used).
That is a game, I like to keep it like that, if you'd like it too, let's play, if someone takes it serious, we'll accept every comment, but the decision will be taken according to the spirit of this chain: not the holy truth, but a fair and enjoiable game.