Author Topic: Neverending Chain, now closed! (Read 93995 times)

Allan L · « **Reply #400 on:** April 21, 2009, 05:12:02 PM »

So the text of the Brockbank cartoon is linguistically better than it looks after all!

DynaMike · « **Reply #401 on:** April 21, 2009, 05:20:27 PM »

Indeed

'Citron Pressé' is also used as name for a rally only open to Citroëns (and Panhards).

75america · « **Reply #402 on:** April 24, 2009, 09:13:51 AM »

Chery A5 and 2005 Changcheng Hafo CC 6460KY
Both companies were sued (e.g. GM Chevrolet spark =>Chery QQ and Fiat Panda => Changcheng Jingling) for making knockoff’s.

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #403 on:** April 24, 2009, 09:33:41 AM »

Nice one! And You are definetly moving towards hard ones...

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #404 on:** April 29, 2009, 02:21:48 PM »

It seems we have a winner...

Djetset · « **Reply #405 on:** April 29, 2009, 03:13:53 PM »

The Nevering Chain is far too good to grind to a halt, so in the interests of keeping it moving, how about this for a tenous link;

Changcheng vehicles are made under licence in Iran under the DIAR brand name.

Another vehicle made under licence in Iran for many years was the Peykan, an Iranian version of the Rootes/Chrysler UK Arrow series (Hillman Hunter, Humber Sceptre Singer Vogue, etc.)

ImpishGrin · « **Reply #406 on:** April 29, 2009, 03:19:56 PM »

I think it was called Paykan.

Djetset · « **Reply #407 on:** April 29, 2009, 03:22:47 PM »

You're right. My car knowledge is thankfully superior to my typing skills, which are lousy! It is of course Paykan.

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #408 on:** April 29, 2009, 04:02:51 PM »

Good. Can you express your connection in the "carA - carB reason" form?

Djetset · « **Reply #409 on:** April 29, 2009, 05:31:23 PM »

No problem. Will this do below?

Changcheng DIAR and Paykan 1600

Both vehicles made under licence in Iran from an original car made elsewhere.

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #410 on:** April 30, 2009, 03:21:21 AM »

Quote from: 75america on April 24, 2009, 09:13:51 AM

Chery A5 and 2005 Changcheng Hafo CC 6460KY
Both companies were sued (e.g. GM Chevrolet spark =>Chery QQ and Fiat Panda => Changcheng Jingling) for making knockoff’s.

Your nex car should be related to the Changcheng Hafo CC 6460KY...

Djetset · « **Reply #411 on:** April 30, 2009, 04:19:43 AM »

It is, as I've said it's built in licence by DIAR in Iran, as is/was the Paykan.

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #412 on:** April 30, 2009, 04:39:31 AM »

Sorry, maybe I'm too slow this morning...I understood your link, but...
Changcheng Hafo CC 6460KY and ? why ?
You start with the DIAR and link it with the Paykan, but the last one is not the license-built version.

Djetset · « **Reply #413 on:** April 30, 2009, 05:03:20 AM »

No need to apologise and perhaps I'm the one that's being slow.

The Paykan was originally licence-built in Iran from a licencing agreement with the Rootes Group, signed in the mid-1960s. The Paykan example I illustrated was probably not the best image as it's a late model that doesn't quite resemble any of the many facelifted Hillman Hunters, but it was the only picture I could find in a rush. Perhaps I should have chosen another car built under licence in Iran, such as a Renault 5 or Citroen Dyane... I was just keen to keep the Chain moving, as it seemed to have dried-up after the Changcheng link, berhaps because the Hafo model illustrated was not the Jingling refered to in the link. Anyway, hopefully we can keep the Chain moving and growing...

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #414 on:** April 30, 2009, 05:16:30 AM »

I'm glad that You want this chain to move, so let's do it well..
I know the PEYKAN (as it is reported in many sources) started with license-built Hillman.
I learnt now that Changcheng is built in Iran by DIAR.
The last car in this chain is the chinese-built Hafo CC 6460KY and the link was referred to the manufacturer and not the specific model.
Now, I'm asking, which car can be directly connected with the chinese Changcheng (the brand or the specific model, as You prefer)?
My suggestion can be an Hillman, because You found out that both models are built under license in Iran, but this is your call (and I have to check the connection already used...).

Djetset · « **Reply #415 on:** April 30, 2009, 05:49:30 AM »

Understood. As I said, I did this in a real rush bettwen meetings. So, let's go with the Hillman Hunter (as illustrated), which was also built under licence in Iran by Paykan (a.k.a Peykan) as is the Changcheng. So...,

The Changcheng is made in Iran by DIAR
The Hillman Hunter was/is (in pick-up form) made in Iran under licence by Paykan
So, both cars produced under licence in Iran from other manufacturers

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #416 on:** April 30, 2009, 05:53:55 AM »

Perfect!
Changcheng Hafo CC 6460KY 20-- and Hillman Hunter 19-- both cars were produced under licence (in Iran) from other manufacturers

ImpishGrin · « **Reply #417 on:** April 30, 2009, 03:07:48 PM »

Ok, my first one finally, I hope I get it right

Hillman Hunter (1966-1979) and Argyll Turbo GT (1976-1990) - both cars share their model names with polish heavy metal bands (Hunter and Turbo).

Allemano · « **Reply #418 on:** April 30, 2009, 03:08:58 PM »

Quote from: ImpishGrin on April 30, 2009, 03:07:48 PM

Ok, my first one finally, I hope I get it right

Hillman Hunter (1966-1979) and Argyll Turbo GT (1976-1990) - both cars share their model names with polish heavy metal bands (Hunter and Turbo).

ftg3plus4 · « **Reply #419 on:** April 30, 2009, 03:25:24 PM »

I didn't think I was going to contribute to this thread, but I'm going to take a shot now. If this doesn't qualify for some reason, then just scratch it & move on!

Argyll Turbo GT and Allard P1: Each make shares its name with a much earlier make from the same country.

(And if that's not specific enough, I believe both of the earlier makes started in 1899!)

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #420 on:** April 30, 2009, 03:48:41 PM »

Quote from: ImpishGrin on April 30, 2009, 03:07:48 PM

Ok, my first one finally, I hope I get it right
Hillman Hunter (1966-1979) and Argyll Turbo GT (1976-1990) - both cars share their model names with polish heavy metal bands (Hunter and Turbo).

I'm going to trust you about this

!!
Hillman Hunter (1966-1979) and Argyll Turbo GT (1976-1990) - both cars are named after polish heavy metal bands (Hunter and Turbo)

Quote from: ftg3plus4 on April 30, 2009, 03:25:24 PM

I didn't think I was going to contribute to this thread, but I'm going to take a shot now. If this doesn't qualify for some reason, then just scratch it & move on!
Argyll Turbo GT and Allard P1: Each make shares its name with a much earlier make from the same country.
(And if that's not specific enough, I believe both of the earlier makes started in 1899!)

That's perfect and very specific!

Argyll Turbo GT and Allard P1: both manufacturers share their name with makes from the same country started the same year

This one is definetly a multi-point connection!
(even if the 2 Argyll are somewere considered the same brand...)

ftg3plus4 · « **Reply #421 on:** April 30, 2009, 03:58:22 PM »

Cool! But there's got to be a way to phrase that so it's clear that the earlier makes started in the same year as each other, but each in the same country as the later make.

(Saying the two Argylls are the same brand really sounds like a stretch, but then I didn't say "much earlier unrelated makes.")

faksta · « **Reply #422 on:** April 30, 2009, 04:01:45 PM »

Quote from: 75america on April 24, 2009, 09:13:51 AM

2005 Changcheng Hafo CC 6460KY

Isn't it a Great Wall Hover? Even the badge is the same.

ImpishGrin · « **Reply #423 on:** April 30, 2009, 04:06:27 PM »

Great Wall is the export name of Changcheng vehicles.

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #424 on:** April 30, 2009, 04:13:18 PM »

Quote from: ftg3plus4 on April 30, 2009, 03:58:22 PM

Cool! But there's got to be a way to phrase that so it's clear that the earlier makes started in the same year as each other, but each in the same country as the later make.

(Saying the two Argylls are the same brand really sounds like a stretch, but then I didn't say "much earlier unrelated makes.")

This is the hardest part for me!
Since all the makes are from Great Britain, no need to specify, about the 'same year', I'm open to suggestions, but I think we are clear....

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