Author Topic: Neverending Chain, now closed!  (Read 94005 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline 75america

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 1874
  • Country: be
  • Puzzle Points 293
  • Gran Torino
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #375 on: April 19, 2009, 07:56:16 AM »
1935 Citroen 11CV Traction Avant and 1998 Toyota Progres.

Both brands are named after their founders (name when they were born), but with a small change in the name.

Citroen => Citroën,
Toyoda => Toyota


Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #376 on: April 19, 2009, 08:17:06 AM »
Wasn't it 'Citroën' all the time?

Offline 75america

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 1874
  • Country: be
  • Puzzle Points 293
  • Gran Torino
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #377 on: April 19, 2009, 08:21:12 AM »
Wasn't it 'Citroën' all the time?

Nope, he was was born as citroen (a dutch name meaning lemon)

Offline DynaMike

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 921
  • Country: nl
  • Puzzle Points 230
  • Amsterdam, cool.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #378 on: April 19, 2009, 08:25:04 AM »
André Citroën's grandfather (a dutchman) was called Limoenman (Lemon man) because he sold lemons. He changed his name to Citroen (Dutch for lemon) to make it sound 'less jewish'. When André's parents moved to Paris, they still used the name Citroen, but when André had to be registered to go to school, this name was not accepted, because it was 'unpronounceable', André's father suggested to change it to Citroën, and that was accepted. So when André Citroën started his company his name was Citroën for many years already...

Offline 75america

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 1874
  • Country: be
  • Puzzle Points 293
  • Gran Torino
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #379 on: April 19, 2009, 08:30:41 AM »
André Citroën's grandfather (a dutchman) was called Limoenman (Lemon man) because he sold lemons. He changed his name to Citroen (Dutch for lemon) to make it sound 'less jewish'. When André's parents moved to Paris, they still used the name Citroen, but when André had to be registered to go to school, this name was not accepted, because it was 'unpronounceable', André's father suggested to change it to Citroën, and that was accepted. So when André Citroën started his company his name was Citroën for many years already...

Yes, I know all of this.  That's why I wrote: 'Name when they were born' in my link explanation.
It's up to the jury to decide if it is a valid connection...

Offline DynaMike

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 921
  • Country: nl
  • Puzzle Points 230
  • Amsterdam, cool.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #380 on: April 19, 2009, 08:36:47 AM »
It wasn't my intention to doubt the validity of your link, 75america. In fact I think it is a nice find.  :D
Even though I had another link and when I posted it I foun out that I was too late  :(

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #381 on: April 19, 2009, 08:40:46 AM »
I said before, that's why I like this...even a well-known manufacturer like Citroen can have an odd story to be told..
Citroen 11CV Traction Avant 1935 and  Toyota Progres 1998   both brands are named after their founders (name when they were born), but with a small change in the name


Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #382 on: April 19, 2009, 08:44:57 AM »
Time for a summary:
Abarth 750 Zagato Coupé 1956                    and                  Porsche 718 RSK 1958                                   relative of one builder worked for the builder of the other car
Porsche 718 RSK 1958                               and                  Studebaker Project Z-87 1954                         same engineer                                         
Studebaker Project Z-87 1954                      and                   Studebaker Dictator 1935                               same builder\manufacturer
Studebaker Dictator 1935                            and                  Alfa Romeo 6C 2300 Pescara 1935             model's name-driver's name
Alfa Romeo 6C 2300 Pescara 1935              and           Auto Union Typ B from 1935                                 model's name-name of the circuit the car raced in
Auto Union Typ B 1935                               and           Era Type B from 1936                                             same model's name
Era Type B 1935                                        and            Era Type M Mini Turbo 1989                                  same country of manufacture
Era Type M Mini Turbo 1989                        and            Austin A30 Seven Saloon 1951                      the engine of one car is the evolution of the engine of the other
Austin A30 Seven Saloon 1951                    and            Turner 803 Sports A30  1956                                same engine
Turner 803 Sports A30  1956                       and            Turner-Miesse Steamer 1904                              same builder's name
Turner-Miesse Steamer 1904                       and             Stanley Steamer Model E2 1909                         same source of energy (steam-electric-hybrid-diesel-solar)
Stanley Steamer Model E2 1909                 and            RR 40/50 Silver Ghost  by Barker                         same year
RR 40/50 Silver Ghost Barker 1909              and             Delaunay-Belleville 70CV SMT Kellner 1908        both one-off
Delaunay-Belleville 70CV SMT Kellner 1908  and           Rovin D1  1CV 1/2     1946                                  same factory building
  Rovin D1 1CV 1/2     1946                         and           Renault Type A 1½ CV  1898                                      same CV number
Renault Type A 1½ CV  1898                      and           Tracta T11  (first car with CV joint) 1929                  model's name-part introduced first time
Tracta T11  (first car with CV joint) 1929       and            Christie Grand Prix 1907                                             same traction (FWD-AWD-RWD) 
Christie Grand Prix 1907                             and             Mercedes 79\200 PS (20.5lt) from 1915             exceptional technical specs (capacity, top speed, power,etc..)
Mercedes 79\200 PS 1915                         and              Swallow Doretti 1955                                             both named after daughters of the cars distributors
Swallow Doretti  1955                                and             Chevrolet Corvette Rondine 1963                         same name in different language
Chevrolet Corvette Rondine 1963                 and            Amphicar 770 Cabriolet 1963                                name of a vessil & a sea-going car
Amphicar 770 Cabriolet 1963                      and            Cadillac Coupe de Ville 1960                                same body style elements (fins)
Cadillac Coupe de Ville 1960                      and            Detroit Electric 1915                                                name of the car - name of the city founded
Detroit Electric 1915                                   and             Lincoln Indianapolis Boano 1955                               same mileage radius
Lincoln Indianapolis Boano 1955                 and             Fiat Coupe 1993                             the designer of one car worked in the design-house of the second
Fiat Coupe 1993                                        and               Lancia Augusta Whittingam & Mitchell 1935           same city of construction
Lancia Augusta W&Mitchell 1935       and         Graham-Paige Model 827 Rds 1929    the same man owned the design-house of the 1st and was a dealer for the 2nd
Graham-Paige Model 827 Rds 1929   and     Hupmobile Skylark 1940                   the last model of both builders derives from the same car
Hupmobile Skylark 1940                   and       Chevrolet Nomad 1955                    founder's relatives were tied to their early automotive empires
Chevrolet Nomad 1955                      and       Veritas RS2000 1947                   both cars had later revival projects
Veritas RS2000 1947                        and         AFM 2.5l 1951                              their engineers worked for the same company\model
AFM 2.5l 1951                                 and        BMW 700RS 1960                       the builder of the 1st car was a pilot in the 2nd
BMW 700RS 1960                           and        Wolseley 7 HP 1922                   same engine layout (flat-twin)
Wolseley 7 HP 1922                        and         Ford Gyron 1961                     both manufacturers made an unorthodox vehicle (gyroscopic car)
Ford Gyron 1961                              and         Tucker Torpedo 1948             the features of the first car were credited to the designer of the 2nd(L.Brennan)
Tucker Torpedo 1948                        and         Rolls-Royce Phantom II 1931   both cars star in a film (that bears their name)
Rolls-Royce Phantom II 1931             and  Packard Convertible Coupe 1949    one company built under license the aircraft engines designed by the other company
Packard Convertible Coupe 1949      and     Bugatti Type 41 Royale 1931                    nickname of the car-hood ornament (elephant)
Bugatti Type 41 Royale 1931            and       Plymouth Superbird Hemi 426  1970           nickname of the engine-hood ornament (elephant)
Plymouth Superbird H426  1970      and    Cadillac Seville  1997                                   both cars named after the same object\thing (port)
Cadillac Seville 1997                       and         Arnolt Bristol Bolide 1953       name of the car-name of the actor who played in a movie featuring the other car
Arnolt Bristol Bolide 1953              and        Awtowelo Type 650 "Sokol" 1952          both cars derived from other cars(Bristol-Auto Union)
Awtowelo Type 650 "Sokol" 1952    and     Rob Walker Racing Lotus 18 F1 1961  both cars are in the same collection\museum\display\show\event
Rob Walker Racing Lotus 18 F1 1961     and    Ferrari 625 F1 1955                                both cars won the same race (Monaco)
Ferrari 625 F1 from 1955                        and  Chrysler 300K Convertible  1964                name of the car and number of cars produced (in that model year)
Chrysler 300K Convertibile 1964             and   Volvo 122 S  1968                                    name of the car and number of one dimension of the other (wheelbase)
Volvo 122 S 1968                                  and   Citroen B18  1927                                      name of the car-name of the engine (b18)
Citroen B18 1927                               and     Mors 12\15 HP 1909                         one builder worked for the builder of the other car
Mors 12-15 HP 1909                         and     Peugeot Quadrillette Type 161 1922     both manufacturers produced the same non-automotive object (traffic signs)
Peugeot Type 161 Quadrilette 1922   and    Wanderer W1 Puppchen 5-12 HP 1911   both cars (probably) derived from the same car (bebe)
Wanderer W1 Püppchen 5-12 HP 1911   and     Bédélia BD3 1913            same seating layout (tandem)
Bédélia BD3 1913                    and          AV Monocar 6\8  hp 1920        similarities in the steering mechanism (centre-point and wire-and-bobbin)
AV Monocar 6\8 HP 1920        and         Tecno-Daf F3 1968                    both cars are missing of a part (lights)
Techno-Daf F3 1968               and         Benz Velo 1894                   similarities in the change-speed mechanism (both involve belts)
Benz Velo 1894                     and          Alpine A110 1300S 1971      same position of the engine (rear-engine)
Alpine A110 1300S 1971       and      DKW F94 Limousine 1957   both had equivalents in other countries (Willys interlagos-DKW-Vemag)
DKW F94 Limousine 1957   and      Karmann-Ghia TC   1970       both manufacturers had a specific coachwork for a country (Fissore's)
VW Karmann-Ghia TC 1970 and  Nash-Healey Pininfarina Roadster 1952   both cars have a name referring to different manufacturers
Nash-Healey Pininf. Rds 1952   and   Gordon GT 1960                                      Both cars are the product of three countries
Gordon GT 1960                       and       MG A 1600 Twin Cam 1958               both cars have the same wheels\disc brakes
MGA Twin Cam 1958               and       Steyr-Puch 650 TR 1964                    Both cars are the high-output version of a standard model
Steyr-Puch 650 TR  1964        and    MG Metro 1982                                   both cars have devices to aid aerodynamics
MG Metro 1982                          and    Peugeot 205GTI 1984                      both cars were the basis for racing cars
Peugeot 205GTI 1984               and  Citroën DS 1956   the name of a car and the name of a special version of the other (Sacré numéro - Dèesse)
Citroën DS 1955                       and       Jaguar XK120  1954          both cars were in the same list (of an international beauty contest)
Jaguar XK120 1954                 and        Fiat 8V 1952                        both cars have a coachbuilt version of the same design (Savonuzzi's Supersonic)
Fiat 8V 1952                              and        Cisitalia D46  1946            both cars have the same designer (Dante Giacosa)
Cisitalia D46 1946                  and           Bristol 400 1947             both were the first cars produced by their makers
Bristol 400 1947                      and         A.L.F.A. 24 hp 1910          both had badges which featured the coat of arms of their cities of origin
A.L.F.A. 24 hp 1910                 and         Opel Omega 1986           both cars have a letter from the Greek alphabet in their name
Holden VE Commodore 2007   and   Hartnett Pacific\Tasman 1951   the same man was director of the first and founded the second company
Hartnett Pacific\Tasman 1951   and   SOCEMA Gregoire 1952  the same man designed one car and the car which inspired the other
SOCEMA Gregoire 1952             and  Spirou & Fantasio Turbo-Rhino 1   one car inspired the other
Spirou & Fantasio Turbo-Rhino 1 and Ford X-100 1953             both cars are concept cars\prototype used by books\movies\... characters
Ford X-100 1953                             and  Lincoln Typhoon  1952                             one car is a styling mockup that became the other car
Lincoln Typhoon  1952                 and   Maserati Khamsin 1976             both cars are named after meteorological events
Maserati Khamsin 1976               and  Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow 19--  both cars have the same Citroen-patented hydropneumatic system
Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow 19--  and Lancia Lambda 1923  both cars first introduced the same feature, one in the world, the other for its builder (monocoque chassis)
Lancia Lambda 1923                    and       Audi Type K  1923   both cars are named after the (11th) letter of 2 different alphabets (greek and latin)
Audi Type K  1923                          and  Burney Streamline 1932       both designers started on airships
Burney Streamline 1932               and   Maybach W1             one manufacturer built the engines for the airships made in the company directed by the other
Maybach W1                                   and       Meccanica Maniero 4700  1967     both cars have a badge featuring twice the same letter (M)
Meccanica Maniero 4700 1967   and Ascort TSV 1300 1959  both cars are coachbuilt specials based on a popular production car from a different continent
Ascort TSV 1300 1959                  and  TVR Grantura I  1958      Both cars have a fibreglass body
TVR Grantura Mk I 1958               and Healey Tickford Saloon 1951             both cars are standard production models named after the body manufacturer
Healey Tickford Saloon 1951      and Volkswagen Type 3 1966  both manufacturers later on made a car in collaboration with another one (Austin-Healey VW-Porsche)
VW Typ 3 1966                               and  Astra Utility 1956.                   both cars have a luggage compartment above the (underfloor) engine
Astra Utility 1956                            and Biscuter Commercial Rubia                 both are woodies
Biscuter Commercial Rubia       and  Nissan Sentra 1983                    both cars existed because of visionaries born in the same year
Nissan Sentra 1983         and              Chery Eastar 2003                                          both have the same code name (B11)
Chery Eastar B11 2003  and   Citroen Bx  19--   both cars type code is shared with a thing\object ( B vitamin)
Citroën BX 19--                 and  Daewoo Matiz 1998          both cars derived from a prototype made for another company (Volvo Tundra-Cinquecento Lucciola)
Daewoo Matiz 1998         and   Simca 1100 1967             both cars were sold in a later period under a different brand name (Chevrolet and Talbot)
Simca 1100 1967            and    Seat Ibiza 1984              both manufacturers started car production with cars built under license from another company (Fiat)
Seat Ibiza 1984                and      Ford Consul Capri 1961                   both cars are named after geographic places (islands)
Ford Consul Capri 1961                    and        Buick Questor 1983                         both cars are named after political offices (in the Roman Republic)
Buick Questor 1983                            and         Oldsmobile recon 1999                both brands are/were part of the same company (GM)
Oldsmobile Recon 1999     and        Ford 24-7 Concept 20--                  both cars have an instrument panel that could be reconfigured to each drivers' preferences
Ford 24.7 concept 20--                        and       White Red Bus 1936                       both cars have the same top configuration
White Red Bus 1936                           and        Alfa Romeo SZ 1989                       both cars have only one official colour scheme
Alfa Romeo SZ 1989                and        Rover P6 BS  1967              both cars have a  name containing an acronym that refers to a different company (Zagato-Buick)
Rover P6 BS 1967          and   Columbia LX Electric Runabout 1903  both companies had their origins in producing versions of the same vehicle (Micheaux Velocipede)
Columbia LX Electric Runabout 1903 and   Autobianchi Coupe (G.31) 1968     both companies were created as a joint venture
Autobianchi Coupe (G.31) 1968       and    Citroen 11CV Traction Avant 1935     both companies were (at least partially) owned by tire companies (Michelin-Pirelli)
Citroen 11CV TA 1935                       and    Toyota Progres 1998                             both brands are named after their founders, but with a small change in the name
Toyota Progres   1998                       and     Citroën 11 B Traction Avant 1955       both cars have a name that refers to modernity (progressiveness; avant garde)
Citroën 11 B Traction Avant  1955  and      Panhard Dyna Z 1956                          the same man designed some adverts for both cars
Panhard Dyna Z 1956          and       Ferrari 308 GTB 1975              both cars were introduced with bodies made of a lightweight material, and then switched to steel
Ferrari 308 GTB 1975                        and        Lancia Stratos 1972                              both cars had racing versions built by the same company (Michelotto)
Lancia Stratos 1972                          and        Chery A5 20--                                           both cars have one identical dimension (width)
Chery A5 20--                             and   Changcheng Hafo CC 6460KY 2005     both companies were sued for making knockoff’s( GM Chevrolet Spark and Fiat Panda)
Changcheng Hafo CC 6460KY 20--     and      Hillman Hunter  19--   both cars were produced under licence (in Iran) from other manufacturers
Hillman Hunter 19--                             and         Argyll Turbo GT  1976   both cars are named after polish heavy metal bands (Hunter and Turbo)
Argyll Turbo GT 1976              and        Allard P1 1952             both manufacturers share their name with earlier makes from the same country started the same year
Allard P1 1952                         and         Rolls-Royce Light Twenty 1906    both cars won International competitions driven by their constructors
RR 20HP 1906 and Cottin & Desg. 12HP 1904 Both brands are named after both their founders one of whom of each co. also prod. cars under their own name before Cottin & Desgouttes 12 HP 1924  and   Prima 12\15 HP  1906   Both companies were manufacturing a model with similar power units at (almost) the same time
Prima 12\15 HP 1906                         and      Alfa Romeo 1900 Granluce Primavera 1957        The model name of the second car incorporates the brand name of the first
Alfa Romeo 1900 Granluce Primavera 1957 and  Jaguar XJ12 coupe 1977 Both cars are factory-built 2-door pillarless coupes based on the regular 4-door sedan model
Jaguar XJ12 Coupe 1977   and        Cheetah Coupe 2008                 Both makers are named after members of the cat group of animals
Cheetah Coupe 2008         and         Vaz Samara Tarzan ----            one car is named after the pet companion of a character that shares the name with the second car
VAZ Samara Tarzan ----    and        Felber Excellence 1977               both cars have a name containing only one vowel repeated six times
Felber Excellence 1977       and       Fisker Tramonto 2005                  both cars are limited production based on production cars
Fisker Tramonto 2005            and      Ken Okuyama K.O. 7 sports    the same object was designed by the designer of 1st car and inspired the design of the 2nd
Ken Okuyama K.O. 7 sports   and      Williams FW 08 1980     both cars have a name containing the initials of the company owner
Williams FW08 1980  and Eagle RV ----  both cars have a six-wheeled version
Eagle RV and Keller Super Chief         Both were available in either front-engine or rear-engine configuration
Keller Super Chief and the Cy-Car TigerCat 3V2   both cars have similarities in the suspension system (rubber torsion springs)
Cy-Car TigerCat 3V2 and Hot Rod Hawg Limited Edition  both cars are powered by motorcycle engines
« Last Edit: June 25, 2009, 05:03:25 PM by Paul Jaray »

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #383 on: April 19, 2009, 08:47:19 AM »
and the connections:
Both cars have the same: builder,
                          engineer,
                          designer,
                          factory building,
                          builder's name,
                          model's name,
                          code name
                          country,
                          city of construction,
                          year,
                          engine,
                          engine layout,
                          seating layout,
                          wheels\disc brakes
                          position of the engine
                          source of energy,
                          number of CV,
                          traction,
                          body style elements,
                          top configuration
                          mileage radius,
                          Citroen-patented hydropneumatic system

-Both cars:               are one-off,
                          are the high-output version of a standard model
                          are limited production based on production cars
                          are standard production models named after the body manufacturer
                          are concept cars\prototype used by books\movies\... characters
                          are coachbuilt specials based on a popular production car from a different continent
                          are factory-built 2-door pillarless coupes based on the regular 4-door sedan/saloon model
                          are woodies
                          are in the same collection\museum\event
                          are missing of a part
                          are the product of three countries
                          have one exceptional technical spec
                          have one identical dimension
                          have only one official colour scheme
                          have a badge featuring twice the same letter
                          have a badge featuring the coat of arms of their cities of origin
                          have similarities in the steering mechanism
                          have similarities in the change-speed mechanism
                          have equivalents in other countries
                          have a name referring to different manufacturers
                          have a name containing an acronym that refers to a different company
                          have a name containing a letter from the Greek alphabet
                          have a name containing only one vowel repeated six times
                          have a name that refers to modernity
                          have a coachbuilt version of the same design
                          have a fibreglass body
                          have a derivate sold by another manufacturer
                          have racing versions built by the same company
                          have a luggage compartment above the (underfloor) engine
                          have a type code shared with a thing\object
                          have an instrument panel that could be reconfigured to each drivers' preferences
                          were produced under licence from other manufacturers in the same different country
                          were introduced with bodies made of a lightweight material, and then switched to steel
                          were the first cars produced by their makers
                          were sold in a later period under a different brand name
                          were the basis for racing cars
                          were in the same list
                          were designed by designers who started on airships   
                          had later revival projects,
                          are named after daughters of the cars distributors
                          are named after the same object\thing,
                          are named after meteorological events
                          are named after the same letter of 2 different alphabets
                          are named after geographic places
                          are named after political offices
                          are named after polish heavy metal bands
                          derived from different cars,
                          derived from the same car,
                          derived from a prototype made for another company
                          won the same race,
                          won International competitions driven by their constructors
                          star in a film,
                          their engineers worked for the same company\model
                          Founder's relatives were tied to their early automotive empire
                          first introduced the same feature, one in the world, the other for its builder
                          existed because of visionaries born in the same year

-One car:                 its nickname and the hood ornament of the other car
                          its engine's nickname and the hood ornament of the other car
                          is named after a vessil and the other is a sea-going car
                          is named after the pet companion of a character that shares the name with the second car
                          is a styling mockup that became the other car
                          its engine is the evolution of the engine of the other car
                          its designer worked for the design-house of the second car
                          its features were credited to the designer of the 2nd
                          inspired the other

-Both manufacturers:      are/were part of the same company
                          are named after their founders, but with a small change in the name
                          are named after both their founders, one of whom of each company also produced cars under their own name before
                          are named after members of the cat group of animals
                          share their name with makes from the same country started the same year
                          were created as a joint venture
                          were owned by tire companies
                          were sued for making knockoff’s
                          produced the same non-automotive object
                          made an unorthodox vehicle
                          had a specific coachwork for a country
                          had a model with similar power units at  the same time
                          later on made a car in collaboration with another manufacturer
                          started car production with cars built under license from another company
                          started car production with versions of the same vehicle
                          Their last model derives from the same car

-One manufacturer:        worked for the other
                          had a relative working for the other
                          was a pilot in the other car
                          built under license the aircraft engines designed by the other
                          built the engines for the airships made in the company directed by the other

-The name of one car and: the name of the engine
                          the name of the city founded,
                          the name of a special version of the other
                          the name of the actor who played in a movie featuring the other car,
                          the circuit where it raced,
                          the driver of the second,
                          the part introduced first time, 
                          the same name in a different language,
                          the number of cars produced,
                          the number of one dimension of the other,
                          incorporates the brand name of the other
                         

-The same:     man owned the design-house of the 1st and was a dealer for the 2nd
                          man was director of the first and founded the second company
                          man designed some adverts for both cars
                          man designed one car and the car which inspired the other
« Last Edit: May 20, 2009, 02:55:10 PM by Paul Jaray »

Offline DynaMike

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 921
  • Country: nl
  • Puzzle Points 230
  • Amsterdam, cool.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #384 on: April 19, 2009, 09:08:11 AM »
 ::) We are supposed to find new links between cars, but not necessarily new cars, am I right?

So 1998 Toyota Progres could be linked to 1955 Citroën 11 B Traction Avant, since both cars have a model name that refers to modernity (progressiveness; avant garde).

And for the 1955 version of the Traction Avant, Alexis Kow made an advert design with the slogan "Vérité bien ancrée, la Traction dompte la force centrifuge" ("Well anchored truth, the Traction tames the centrifugal force"). The same Alexis Kow made many designs for Panhard adverts and brochores, like this one of a 1956 Dyna Z. So Traction can be linked to Dyna Z because the same designer made adverts of both cars.
(There could be made another link: the front ends of the unitary construction of the Traction are called 'jambonneaux' (little hams), and the taillights of the Dyna Z had the nickname 'couilles de rhinocéros' (rhino's testicles), both names referring to a part of an animal...)

Offline Allemano

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 18482
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 821
  • almost retired
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #385 on: April 19, 2009, 09:11:18 AM »
Time for a summary:
Abarth 750 Zagato Coupé 1956                    and                  Porsche 718 RSK 1958                                   relative of one builder worked for the builder of the other car
Porsche 718 RSK 1958                               and                  Studebaker Project Z-87 1954                         same engineer                                         
Studebaker Project Z-87 1954                      and                   Studebaker Dictator 1935                               same builder\manufacturer
Studebaker Dictator 1935                            and                  Alfa Romeo 6C 2300 Pescara 1935             model's name-driver's name
Alfa Romeo 6C 2300 Pescara 1935              and           Auto Union Typ B from 1935                                 model's name-name of the circuit the car raced in
Auto Union Typ B 1935                               and           Era Type B from 1936                                             same model's name
Era Type B 1935                                        and            Era Type M Mini Turbo 1989                                  same country of manufacture
Era Type M Mini Turbo 1989                        and            Austin A30 Seven Saloon 1951                      the engine of one car is the evolution of the engine of the other
Austin A30 Seven Saloon 1951                    and            Turner 803 Sports A30  1956                                same engine
Turner 803 Sports A30  1956                       and            Turner-Miesse Steamer 1904                              same builder's name
Turner-Miesse Steamer 1904                       and             Stanley Steamer Model E2 1909                         same source of energy (steam-electric-hybrid-diesel-solar)
Stanley Steamer Model E2 1909                 and            RR 40/50 Silver Ghost  by Barker                         same year
RR 40/50 Silver Ghost Barker 1909              and             Delaunay-Belleville 70CV SMT Kellner 1908        both one-off
Delaunay-Belleville 70CV SMT Kellner 1908  and           Rovin D1  1CV 1/2     1946                                  same factory building
  Rovin D1 1CV 1/2     1946                         and           Renault Type A 1½ CV  1898                                      same CV number
Renault Type A 1½ CV  1898                      and           Tracta T11  (first car with CV joint) 1929                  model's name-part introduced first time
Tracta T11  (first car with CV joint) 1929       and            Christie Grand Prix 1907                                             same traction (FWD-AWD-RWD) 
Christie Grand Prix 1907                             and             Mercedes 79\200 PS (20.5lt) from 1915             exceptional technical specs (capacity, top speed, power,etc..)
Mercedes 79\200 PS 1915                         and              Swallow Doretti 1955                                             both named after daughters of the cars distributors
Swallow Doretti  1955                                and             Chevrolet Corvette Rondine 1963                         same name in different language
Chevrolet Corvette Rondine 1963                 and            Amphicar 770 Cabriolet 1963                                name of a vessil & a sea-going car
Amphicar 770 Cabriolet 1963                      and            Cadillac Coupe de Ville 1960                                same body style elements (fins)
Cadillac Coupe de Ville 1960                      and            Detroit Electric 1915                                                name of the car - name of the city founded
Detroit Electric 1915                                   and             Lincoln Indianapolis Boano 1955                               same mileage radius
Lincoln Indianapolis Boano 1955                 and             Fiat Coupe 1993                             the designer of one car worked in the design-house of the second
Fiat Coupe 1993                                        and               Lancia Augusta Whittingam & Mitchell 1935           same city of construction
Lancia Augusta W&Mitchell 1935       and         Graham-Paige Model 827 Rds 1929    the same man owned the design-house of the 1st and was a dealer for the 2nd
Graham-Paige Model 827 Rds 1929   and     Hupmobile Skylark 1940                   the last model of both builders derives from the same car
Hupmobile Skylark 1940                   and       Chevrolet Nomad 1955                    founder's relatives were tied to their early automotive empires
Chevrolet Nomad 1955                      and       Veritas RS2000 1947                   both cars had later revival projects
Veritas RS2000 1947                        and         AFM 2.5l 1951                              their engineers worked for the same company\model
AFM 2.5l 1951                                 and        BMW 700RS 1960                       the builder of the 1st car was a pilot in the 2nd
BMW 700RS 1960                           and        Wolseley 7 HP 1922                   same engine layout (flat-twin)
Wolseley 7 HP 1922                        and         Ford Gyron 1961                     both manufacturers made an unorthodox vehicle (gyroscopic car)
Ford Gyron 1961                              and         Tucker Torpedo 1948             the features of the first car were credited to the designer of the 2nd(L.Brennan)
Tucker Torpedo 1948                        and         Rolls-Royce Phantom II 1931   both cars star in a film (that bears their name)
Rolls-Royce Phantom II 1931             and  Packard Convertible Coupe 1949    one company built under license the aircraft engines designed by the other company
Packard Convertible Coupe 1949      and     Bugatti Type 41 Royale 1931                    nickname of the car-hood ornament (elephant)
Bugatti Type 41 Royale 1931            and       Plymouth Superbird Hemi 426  1970           nickname of the engine-hood ornament (elephant)
Plymouth Superbird H426  1970      and    Cadillac Seville  1997                                   both cars named after the same object\thing (port)
Cadillac Seville 1997                       and         Arnolt Bristol Bolide 1953       name of the car-name of the actor who played in a movie featuring the other car
Arnolt Bristol Bolide 1953              and        Awtowelo Type 650 "Sokol" 1952          both cars derived from other cars(Bristol-Auto Union)
Awtowelo Type 650 "Sokol" 1952    and     Rob Walker Racing Lotus 18 F1 1961  both cars are in the same collection\museum\display\show\event
Rob Walker Racing Lotus 18 F1 1961     and    Ferrari 625 F1 1955                                both cars won the same race (Monaco)
Ferrari 625 F1 from 1955                        and  Chrysler 300K Convertible  1964                name of the car and number of cars produced (in that model year)
Chrysler 300K Convertibile 1964             and   Volvo 122 S  1968                                    name of the car and number of one dimension of the other (wheelbase)
Volvo 122 S 1968                                  and   Citroen B18  1927                                      name of the car-name of the engine (b18)
Citroen B18 1927                               and     Mors 12\15 HP 1909                         one builder worked for the builder of the other car
Mors 12-15 HP 1909                         and     Peugeot Quadrillette Type 161 1922     both manufacturers produced the same non-automotive object (traffic signs)
Peugeot Type 161 Quadrilette 1922   and    Wanderer W1 Puppchen 5-12 HP 1911   both cars (probably) derived from the same car (bebe)
Wanderer W1 Püppchen 5-12 HP 1911   and     Bédélia BD3 1913            same seating layout (tandem)
Bédélia BD3 1913                    and          AV Monocar 6\8  hp 1920        similarities in the steering mechanism (centre-point and wire-and-bobbin)
AV Monocar 6\8 HP 1920        and         Tecno-Daf F3 1968                    both cars are missing of a part (lights)
Techno-Daf F3 1968               and         Benz Velo 1894                   similarities in the change-speed mechanism (both involve belts)
Benz Velo 1894                     and          Alpine A110 1300S 1971      same position of the engine (rear-engine)
Alpine A110 1300S 1971       and      DKW F94 Limousine 1957   both had equivalents in other countries (Willys interlagos-DKW-Vemag)
DKW F94 Limousine 1957   and      Karmann-Ghia TC   1970       both manufacturers had a specific coachwork for a country (Fissore's)
VW Karmann-Ghia TC 1970 and  Nash-Healey Pininfarina Roadster 1952   both cars have a name referring to different manufacturers
Nash-Healey Pininf. Rds 1952   and   Gordon GT 1960                                      Both cars are the product of three countries
Gordon GT 1960                       and       MG A 1600 Twin Cam 1958               both cars have the same wheels\disc brakes
MGA Twin Cam 1958               and       Steyr-Puch 650 TR 1964                    Both cars are the high-output version of a standard model
Steyr-Puch 650 TR  1964        and    MG Metro 1982                                   both cars have devices to aid aerodynamics
MG Metro 1982                          and    Peugeot 205GTI 1984                      both cars were the basis for racing cars
Peugeot 205GTI 1984               and  Citroën DS 1956   the name of a car and the name of a special version of the other (Sacré numéro - Dèesse)
Citroën DS 1955                       and       Jaguar XK120  1954          both cars were in the same list (of an international beauty contest)
Jaguar XK120 1954                 and        Fiat 8V 1952                        both cars have a coachbuilt version of the same design (Savonuzzi's Supersonic)
Fiat 8V 1952                              and        Cisitalia D46  1946            both cars have the same designer (Dante Giacosa)
Cisitalia D46 1946                  and           Bristol 400 1947             both were the first cars produced by their makers
Bristol 400 1947                      and         A.L.F.A. 24 hp 1910          both had badges which featured the coat of arms of their cities of origin
A.L.F.A. 24 hp 1910                 and         Opel Omega 1986           both cars have a letter from the Greek alphabet in their name
Holden VE Commodore 2007   and   Hartnett Pacific\Tasman 1951   the same man was director of the first and founded the second company
Hartnett Pacific\Tasman 1951   and   SOCEMA Gregoire 1952  the same man designed one car and the car which inspired the other
SOCEMA Gregoire 1952             and  Spirou & Fantasio Turbo-Rhino 1   one car inspired the other
Spirou & Fantasio Turbo-Rhino 1 and Ford X-100 1953             both cars are concept cars\prototype used by books\movies\... characters
Ford X-100 1953                             and  Lincoln Typhoon  1952                             one car is a styling mockup that became the other car
Lincoln Typhoon  1952                 and   Maserati Khamsin 1976             both cars are named after meteorological events
Maserati Khamsin 1976               and  Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow 19--  both cars have the same Citroen-patented hydropneumatic system
Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow 19--  and Lancia Lambda 1923  both cars first introduced the same feature, one in the world, the other for its builder (monocoque chassis)
Lancia Lambda 1923                    and       Audi Type K  1923   both cars are named after the (11th) letter of 2 different alphabets (greek and latin)
Audi Type K  1923                          and  Burney Streamline 1932       both designers started on airships
Burney Streamline 1932               and   Maybach W1             one manufacturer built the engines for the airships made in the company directed by the other
Maybach W1                                   and       Meccanica Maniero 4700  1967     both cars have a badge featuring twice the same letter (M)
Meccanica Maniero 4700 1967   and Ascort TSV 1300 1959  both cars are coachbuilt specials based on a popular production car from a different continent
Ascort TSV 1300 1959                  and  TVR Grantura I  1958      Both cars have a fibreglass body
TVR Grantura Mk I 1958               and Healey Tickford Saloon 1951             both cars are standard production models named after the body manufacturer
Healey Tickford Saloon 1951      and Volkswagen Type 3 1966  both manufacturers later on made a car in collaboration with another one (Austin-Healey VW-Porsche)
VW Typ 3 1966                               and  Astra Utility 1956.                   both cars have a luggage compartment above the (underfloor) engine
Astra Utility 1956                            and Biscuter Commercial Rubia                 both are woodies
Biscuter Commercial Rubia       and  Nissan Sentra 1983                    both cars existed because of visionaries born in the same year
Nissan Sentra 1983         and              Chery Eastar 2003                                          both have the same code name (B11)
Chery Eastar B11 2003  and   Citroen Bx  19--   both cars type code is shared with a thing\object ( B vitamin)
Citroën BX 19--                 and  Daewoo Matiz 1998          both cars derived from a prototype made for another company (Volvo Tundra-Cinquecento Lucciola)
Daewoo Matiz 1998         and   Simca 1100 1967             both cars were sold in a later period under a different brand name (Chevrolet and Talbot)
Simca 1100 1967            and    Seat Ibiza 1984              both manufacturers started car production with cars built under license from another company (Fiat)
Seat Ibiza 1984                and      Ford Consul Capri 1961                   both cars are named after geographic places (islands)
Ford Consul Capri 1961 and      Buick Questor 1983                         both cars are named after political offices (in the Roman Republic)
Buick Questor 1983        and     Oldsmobile recon 1999               both brands are/were part of the same company (GM)
Oldsmobile Recon 1999 and  Ford 24-7 Concept 20--   both cars have an instrument panel that could be reconfigured to each drivers' preferences
Ford 24.7 concept 20--     and White Red Bus 1936        both cars have the same top configuration
White Red Bus 1936 and Alfa Romeo SZ 1989  both cars have only one official colour scheme
Alfa Romeo SZ 1989    and      Rover P6 BS  1967   both cars have a  name containing an acronym that refers to a different company (Zagato-Buick)
Rover P6 BS 1967      and     Columbia LX Electric Runabout 1903    both companies had their origins in producing versions of the same vehicle (Micheaux Velocipede)
Columbia LX Electric Runabout 1903 and   Autobianchi Coupe (G.31) 1968    both companies were created as a joint venture
Autobianchi Coupe (G.31) 1968       and    Citroen 11CV Traction Avant 1935     both companies were (at least partially) owned by tire companies (Michelin-Pirelli)
Citroen 11CV TA 1935 and  Toyota Progres 1998   both brands are named after their founders (name when they were born), but with a small change in the name



Mr. Jaray, you have a lot of spare time, haven't you?  ;D

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #386 on: April 19, 2009, 09:14:31 AM »
::) We are supposed to find new links between cars, but not necessarily new cars, am I right?

So 1998 Toyota Progres could be linked to 1955 Citroën 11 B Traction Avant, since both cars have a model name that refers to modernity (progressiveness; avant garde).

And for the 1955 version of the Traction Avant, Alexis Kow made an advert design with the slogan "Vérité bien ancrée, la Traction dompte la force centrifuge" ("Well anchored truth, the Traction tames the centrifugal force"). The same Alexis Kow made many designs for Panhard adverts and brochores, like this one of a 1956 Dyna Z. So Traction can be linked to Dyna Z because the same designer made adverts of both cars.
(There could be made another link: the front ends of the unitary construction of the Traction are called 'jambonneaux' (little hams), and the taillights of the Dyna Z had the nickname 'couilles de rhinocéros' (rhino's testicles), both names referring to a part of an animal...)


You are right...You can bring it back to a car already used.
Toyota Progres  and  Citroën 11 B Traction Avant 1955  both cars have a name that refers to modernity (progressiveness; avant garde).
Are you suggesting the next step?

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #387 on: April 19, 2009, 09:18:03 AM »
Mr. Jaray, you have a lot of spare time, haven't you? ;D
Actually I have a regular job too...but Yes, definetly enough spare time.
(BTW I just copied an old post I'm updating regulary)

Offline DynaMike

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 921
  • Country: nl
  • Puzzle Points 230
  • Amsterdam, cool.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #388 on: April 19, 2009, 09:18:36 AM »
Yes, I made two steps in one comment...

1955 Citroën 11 B Traction Avant    and    1956 Panhard Dyna Z    There are adverts of both cars made by the same designer.

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #389 on: April 19, 2009, 09:23:25 AM »
But You can do that only after one week without replies. Otherwise you can lead the chain toward a car that you know will be very hard to connect.
Last valid:

Toyota Progres 1998 and Citroën 11 B Traction Avant 1955  both cars have a name that refers to modernity (progressiveness; avant garde)

Offline DynaMike

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 921
  • Country: nl
  • Puzzle Points 230
  • Amsterdam, cool.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #390 on: April 19, 2009, 09:27:16 AM »
OK, didn't think about that. Sorry.

Offline Otto Puzzell

  • Founder and
  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 31556
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 444
  • Open field, with a window.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • AutoPuzzles
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #391 on: April 19, 2009, 09:52:52 AM »
1956 Panhard Dyna Z and the Ferrari 308 GTB. Both cars were introduced with bodies made of a lightweight material, and then switched to steel. The Dyna initially had aluminum bodywork, and switched to steel due to cost concerns. The Ferrari was first built with glass-reinforced plastic (or GRP) panels, and moved to steel later in the production run. 

You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #392 on: April 19, 2009, 10:05:18 AM »
But You can do that only after one week without replies. Otherwise you can lead the chain toward a car that you know will be very hard to connect.
Last valid:

Toyota Progres 1998 and Citroën 11 B Traction Avant 1955 both cars have a name that refers to modernity (progressiveness; avant garde)

If You agree, DynaMike, I'll accept Otto's connection. ( or you can let Otto use your link and You can use his...).

Offline faksta

  • Feature Writer
  • *
  • Posts: 4613
  • Country: ru
  • Puzzle Points 409
  • Russian Racer
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #393 on: April 19, 2009, 01:09:30 PM »
Ferrari 308 GTB and Lancia Stratos. Both cars had racing versions built by the same company (Michelotto).
« Last Edit: April 19, 2009, 01:17:42 PM by faksta »

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #394 on: April 19, 2009, 01:18:09 PM »
Thank you! Now we can proceed!
Ferrari 308 GTB 1975 and Lancia Stratos 1972     both cars had racing versions built by the same company (Michelotto)
« Last Edit: April 19, 2009, 01:36:34 PM by Paul Jaray »

Offline faksta

  • Feature Writer
  • *
  • Posts: 4613
  • Country: ru
  • Puzzle Points 409
  • Russian Racer
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #395 on: April 19, 2009, 01:21:17 PM »
Forgot the years, sorry :) 1975 for Ferrari, 1972 for Lancia.

Offline DynaMike

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 921
  • Country: nl
  • Puzzle Points 230
  • Amsterdam, cool.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #396 on: April 19, 2009, 01:49:18 PM »
Great that this chain, even after my faux-pas, continues  :)

Offline Arunas

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 10515
  • Country: lt
  • Puzzle Points 654
  • Nulla tenaci invia est via
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • https://www.cartefacts.com
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #397 on: April 19, 2009, 02:02:19 PM »
Don't know if this fits, but

Lancia Stratos and Chery A5 are said to have the same width: 1750mm.

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #398 on: April 19, 2009, 04:06:27 PM »
Why not?
Lancia Stratos 1972 and Chery A5 20-- both cars have one identical dimension (width)

Offline jotage21

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 3980
  • Country: br
  • Puzzle Points 335
  • Contributor
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #399 on: April 21, 2009, 03:28:18 PM »
André Citroën's grandfather (a dutchman) was called Limoenman (Lemon man) because he sold lemons. He changed his name to Citroen (Dutch for lemon) to make it sound 'less jewish'. When André's parents moved to Paris, they still used the name Citroen, but when André had to be registered to go to school, this name was not accepted, because it was 'unpronounceable', André's father suggested to change it to Citroën, and that was accepted. So when André Citroën started his company his name was Citroën for many years already...
Very interesting, I´ve asked a lot of people in which language is the name Citroën and nobody knows, now I learn here in AP :)