Topic: Neverending Chain, now closed!

[Paul Jaray]

Continue this chain for 1 to 4 points use any connection but do not use these:

-Both cars have the same: builder,
                          factory building,
                          builder's name,
                          model's name,
                          country,
                          city of construction,
                          year,
                          engineer,
                          engine,
                          engine layout,
                          source of energy,
                          number of CV,
                          traction,
                          body style elements,
                          mileage radius

-Both cars:               are one-off,
                          have one exceptional technical spec,
                          star in a film, 
                          had later revival projects,
                          are named after daughters of the cars distributors
                          are named after the same object\thing,
                          derived from different cars,
                          derived from the same car,
                          won the same race,
                          are in the same collection\museum\event
                          their engineers worked for the same company\model
                          Founder's relatives were tied to their early automotive empire

-One car:                 its nickname and the hood ornament of the other car
                          its engine's nickname and the hood ornament of the other car
                          is named after a vessil and the other is a sea-going car
                          its engine is the evolution of the engine of the other car
                          its designer worked for the design-house of the second car
                          its features were credited to the designer of the 2nd

-Both manufacturers:      produced the same non-automotive object
                          made an unorthodox vehicle
                          Their last model derives from the same car

-One manufacturer:        worked for the other
                          had a relative working for the other
                          was a pilot in the other car
                          built under license the aircraft engines designed by the other

-The name of one car and: the driver of the second,
                          the circuit where it raced,
                          the part introduced first time,
                          the name of the actor who played in a movie featuring the other car,
                          the same name in a different language,
                          the name of the city founded,
                          the number of cars produced,
                          the number of one dimension of the other,
                          the name of the engine

-The same:                man owned the design-house of the 1st and was a dealer for the 2nd


See pag.1 for the rules and pag.2 for the connections already used


Awtowelo Type 650 "Sokol" 1952              and     Rob Walker Racing Lotus 18 F1 1961  both cars are in the same collection\museum\display\show\event
Rob Walker Racing Lotus 18 F1 1961     and    Ferrari 625 F1 1955                                both cars won the same race

I believe that this thing is really NEVER gonna end.

Hence the name....

Ferrai 625 F1 1955  and   What car?       Why?

[Otto Puzzell]

Ferrari 625 F1 from 1955, and the Chrysler 300K Convertible from 1964. 625 was the type of the Ferrari, and 625 was the number of 300K convertibles produced in the 1964 model year.

[faksta]

Chrysler 300K and this 1968 Volvo 122 S. Chrysler's wheelbase was 122 in inches, while 122 was also Volvo's model designation.

[Otto Puzzell]

Volvo 122 S and Michael Schumacher's championship winning kart from 1987.

Volvo is headquartered in Gothenburg, Sweden, and Schumaker won both the German and European Championships for 1987 at Gothenburg, Sweden, ahead of drivers such as Alessandro Zanardi, Karl Wendlinger and Emanuele Naspetti.

[Allan L]

OK Plymouth is the port from which the "Pilgrim Fathers" sailed to America.
Seville was where Christobal Colon (Columbus) sailed to (what turned out to be) America

Let's say a Cadillac Seville which may look like this, for all I know!

I am sorry to say, Allan, but Seville is no harbor at all. As a matter of fact, it's about 60 miles away from the sea. From what I read , he sailed from a place named Palos de la Frontera.
Your connection doesn't work.

Tardy response as broadband is playing up today!
In those days a decent river was all you needed and Seville has indeed a river (been there, seen it). It may well have been that they stopped off for final supplies at Palos de la Frontera, I don't know.
There is a fine memorial to the enterprise in Seville

[Ray B.]

Only a Londoner could say that (or a Briton at least), I don't know what you are. Of course, the is a well-known London Harbor.
And also, theorically, a Paris Harbor, but try to say to a Parisian that he lives in a harbor and he'll look at you like you come from Mars.
You're right Allan.

[Allan L]

Only a Londoner could say that (or a Briton at least), I don't know what you are. Of course, the is a well-known London Harbor.
And also, theorically, a Paris Harbor, but try to say to a Parisian that he lives in a harbor and he'll look at you like you come from Mars.
You're right Allan.

I suppose we have to say that Seville was where his funds came from and he left it to "look for the Indies" by heading West. The ships he used were assembeled at Palos de la Frontera and although I reckon he probably went there by river, it was not in one of the transatlantic fleet.

Inland cities with harbours (at least adequate for 15th century ships) are not uncommon - Antwerp, for example, if you don't like London.

[Paul Jaray]

Ok, so we have:
Ferrari 625 F1 from 1955                 and  Chrysler 300K Convertible  1964  name of the car and number of cars produced (in that model year)
Chrysler 300K Convertibile 1964   and   Volvo 122 S  1968                            name of the car and number of one dimension of the other
 @Otto, about that kart, is there a make-model designation available? Otherwise will be a little hard...and the connection is between the Volvo and Micheal, the link with the car is really thin...(something like place of manufacturer-place were the pilot won)...

[Otto Puzzell]

I want to make sure I understand - estimating the mileage of a concept car is a solid connection, but connecting a car built in a specific city with a championship won in the same city is 'thin".

I don't know the brand; I believe most karts are an amalgam of parts - a motor from here; a chassis from there, etc.

I guess you'll have to disallow my answer.

[Paul Jaray]

I want to make sure I understand - estimating the mileage of a concept car is a solid connection, but connecting a car built in a specific city with a championship won in the same city is 'thin".

I don't know the brand; I believe most karts are an amalgam of parts - a motor from here; a chassis from there, etc.

I guess you'll have to disallow my answer.

About the mileage of the concept, in some occasion I have to trust your connections. I do not think that anybody will come up with a fake one just to get a point, and of course everybody can prove it wrong. I'm sure Ehhxekt took that data from a valid source, and I have a loot of books to prove a lot of links, but I don't know where to start to verify this. That's why I think it's fine, it's just a game and there is no joy in cheating.
Your connection is not worse that that, but you are connecting "a car built in a specific city" with  "a championship won in the same city". OK, you are proposing the car that won that championship, and it's fine, but  only as Schumacher's winning kart . That's why I said it's not so solid. If You have a specific model, will be "a car built in a specific city"and "the car that won in that place", with or without Schumi. And you know the rules, I can't just disallow your answer...

[DynaMike]

So Ottos link was OK? Or do we have to wait untill he made a link with a car with a name? Or can we continue the chain y connecting the Volvo to another car? (In that case I would have something...

[Paul Jaray]

Otto has 24 hours to change the connection or change the car and find a new connection.

[Otto Puzzell]

Pass

[DynaMike]

The engine of the Volvo was called 'B18'. In 1927 Citroën built a bunch of 1200 cars with model name 'B18'. These were basically B14 G models, but they had RHD and a 19 cm larger track. They were destinated for the Far-East. Only two are reported to have survived, one in Holland and one in France.

(so the link is 'ones engine name is the others model name)

[Paul Jaray]

Pass

Sorry Otto, but I don't get this. You have found some unthinkable connections before and now you pass because I said that I need a model designation instead of a driver? I'm sure you have zero-problem in finding another link between a Volvo and any other model or in looking for the name of that kart. I do not want to be a nit-picker, but I don't know how this chain can go on after a generic Schumi's kart. And what does it mean that you pass, that I have to take away one point of yours? You know that's just a way to prevent people from shooting in the dark, but that's not your case. So, please, why don't you reconsider your original idea, looking for that model or another car? If you are tired of all this, then no problem, but I really do not want to take anyone's point.

About your link, DynaMike, it's perfect, but I'm still waiting for Otto's decision, and if He decide to continue, I'm afraid will be useless.

[Allan L]

And I've got quite a good one to follow DynaMike!

[Paul Jaray]

OK, in this case I will accept DynaMike connection, waiting gladly for Allan's one and I won't take Otto's point because I will do that only in case of a connection already used or a totally silly one, in one word only when it's not serious or if the proposing guesser did not even take the time to look at the updated list.
If someone has got any suggestion, I'm always open, and let's the fun go on. 

[Allan L]

OK here's a connection: André Citroën, whose company made the Citroën was the works manager for Mors in the period just before the Great War when the 12-15 was made.

[Paul Jaray]

That's interesting!
Volvo 122 S 1968                                  and   Citroen B18  1927               name of the car-name of the engine
Citroen B18 1927                                 and   Mors 12-15 HP 1909           one builder worked for the builder of the other car
Mors 12-15 HP 1909                           and   what car?                               why?

[Paul Jaray]

there's nothing after Allan's car?

[DynaMike]

Nowadays the traffic and direction signs in France made by Michelin are best known, but in the beginning of the 20th century several car companies placed such signs. Mors was one of them, later Citroën was better known for their signs, but also Renault and Peugeot made those. Thus I'd like to make a link from Mors -> traffic sign by Mors -> traffic sign by Peugeot -> 1922 Peugeot Quadrillette Type 161 E 4CV.

[Paul Jaray]

I like this!
Mors 12-15 HP 1909                                          and     Peugeot Quadrillette Type 161 E 4CV  1922     both manufacturers produced the same non-automotive object
Peugeot Quadrillette Type 161 E 4CV  1922          and    what car?                                                   why?   

[faksta]

Peugeot Quadrilette was a successor of Peugeot's previous cheap model - Bebe, which was designed by Ettore Bugatti. But before Peugeot Bugatti proposed his project to Wanderer. They've refused, but a bit later showed their own car - Wanderer W1 Puppchen, which technically was an evolution of Bebe. Thus, my connection would be Quadrilette - 1911-1913 Wanderer W1 Puppchen. I think we can say they've had the same predecessor.

[Paul Jaray]

OK, this is good, but I read that Wanderer refused Bugatti's project because they had their project ready,but I think that some ideas can be found in the Puppchen as well!
Peugeot Type 161 E 4cv Quadrilette 1922   and    Wanderer W1 Puppchen 5-12 HP 1911   both cars (probably) derived from the same car

[DynaMike]

The Wanderer Püppchen (with two dots on the u  ) had a tandem seating layout, just as this 1913 Bédélia BD3, even though here the driver sits in the rear...