Neverending Chain, now closed!

[Allan L]

Rovin D1 1CV 1/2     1946      and 1898 Renault Type A 1½ CV

Ok, but can you define the connection? Same capacity? Same CV number?

Same CV number was what I intended by the underlining. You've not had that connection before, I think.

[Otto Puzzell]

CV in the model designation of the first car, CV is the name of the part in the second car, which introduced it.

[Paul Jaray]

Rovin D1 1CV 1/2     1946                              and           Renault Type A 1½ CV  1898                                                  same CV number
Renault Type A 1½ CV  1898                         and           Tracta T11  (first car with CV joint) 1929                              model's name-part introduced first time
Tracta T11  (first car with CV joint) 1929     and             what car?                                                                                    why?

Thank you, I'm really learning a lot!
This connection will give Otto 3 points, if nobody finds out how to continue this chain.

[Ray B.]

As I barely begin to understand how this puzzle works, I realize that I don't understand AT ALL how the points count works!

[Paul Jaray]

As I barely begin to understand how this puzzle works, I realize that I don't understand AT ALL how the points count works!

I can help you in 3 way:

1- I try to explain that on the first page, Reply #13 , probably there are other 2 cars that can be linked because the name of one is the same of the part introduced with the second, like  a Citroen Traction Avant and history's first FWD car, that's why 3 points. If there are 2 cars connected in a way only they can, it will worth 4 points;

2- Only the last one will get the point(s) so it's pure academic to define now if one connection is better than another and

3- I will decide at the end as I will find appropriate, always open to suggestions of course, but I'm sure the last one will be definitely a 3\4 points link!

For example, if now you post another French car, it is an easy link, 1 point. If you post another car with a SCAP engine, it's a bit harder, 2 points, if there exist a car named Art Cat, the anagram of Tracta is even harder, probably not many cars can be linked this way, 3 points. If you find out that the Tracta founder left his son drive this car and in that occasion he had a car accident with a Mochet Cyclecar driven by his son, well, that's a 4 points link!

[Ray B.]

Thanks Paul. I was just trying to be witty and didn't want to force you into a long explanation, but now I get it (almost) all! And I would heve kept playing even if I didn't.
The last thing is: do we still get those points if someone can continue the chain, or is it only the LAST puzzler who scores (as I had understood at first) ?

[Paul Jaray]

No problem at all, I got your point!
Only the last one will get 1 or more point.
That's why there is a 30-days limit after the last ring of this chain. After 30 days without valid guesses the chain will be over, will go to the solved section and the last puzzler will have the points. If there will be a wrong guess (a connection already used or somewhat wrong) there will be 24 hours limit to change it or I will subtract a point. This is in order to prevent anyone to shoot in the dark without thinking and this is the reason why I'm not so strict in this (am I Fastka?), when the connection was serious (but wrong\used).
But now, for example, are you going to leave Otto 3 points when you can just add thousands of cars? As time will go by, there will be no more easy connections and if you really want to get points you will have to: look closer to that model, to the manufacturer's history, to what happen in that year, who drove that car, where, why....
I'm only sad because I can't join this chain! But, hey, if someone likes the idea, when this one will be over (if ever)......

[Allan L]

Tracta T11  (first car with CV joint) 1929     and             what car?                                                                                    why?

How about 1907 Grand Prix Christie which, like that Tracta, has front-wheel-drive?

[Paul Jaray]

Perfect! It's hard to find another car with the same capacity, at least  !

Renault Type A 1½ CV  1898                         and           Tracta T11  (first car with CV joint) 1929                              model's name-part introduced first time
Tracta T11  (first car with CV joint) 1929         and            Christie Grand Prix 1907                                                    same traction (FWD-AWD-RWD) 
Christie Grand Prix 1907                               and             what car?                                                                        why?                         

[Ray B.]

A very last point: does the winner walks away with all the points his links gave him throughout the chain, or just with those earned with his last link?

Now, to show that I still may not have undestood ALL: let's say I found a car for sale with 19981 miles on the odometer (same number as the displacment, in cm3, of the Christie). Does it qualify?

[Paul Jaray]

Only his last guess gives him points, so whoever will be, the maximum amount he has to hope for is 4 points.

If you find such car, with 19981 miles, in your opinion can I accept a connection like:
Christie Grand Prix 1907  and Fiat Punto 1.7 Diesel       the cm3 of the first - the kilometers the 2nd run?

I don't think, because in no way 19981 kilometers can define a Fiat Punto! The previous connections in a certain way can define the car the are related to, even the slightlest one someone suggested via PM (they are both made of tin!), but the km of one exemplar doesn't apply, unless that car has its particularity in that, like that Mercedes-Benz Taxi with # millions kilometers on its shoulders!
I think the easy way to get it is to try it. I'm sure you will not risk a single point, and feel free to suggest whatever you like, always remembering thet we are interested in car history, specs or trivia!

[Allemano]

The difficulty will be to backtrack the neverending list of possible connections.
For instance: "do we already had the connection: both cars have side mirrors?"

But real autopuzzlers keep that in an ethical correct manner and never would post such stupid comments ..... 

[Paul Jaray]

The difficulty will be to track backtrack the neverending list of possible connections.
For instance: "do we already had the connection: both cars have side mirrors?"

But real autopuzzlers keep that in an ethical correct manner and never would post such stupid comments .....

Not a real difficulty if you keep track of them one by one like I'm doing in the 2nd page!
About the connections, feel free to try, if it's inappropriate, I will decide. And once again, please note that if you use "both cars have side mirrors" I will (eventually) consider "both cars have the same body elements" generically, so nobody will use a "both cars have a windshield\rearview mirror\roof\hood\.." connection. If you link 2 coupes. 2 hardtop, 2 spider, it's different, but you can use it only once.I don't really care if someone want to try silly guesses...it's up to them and I don't mind to consider their guesses.

[Ray B.]

Well I've found a car with the same engine displacement  (well, just about it, 20.000 cm3 for this one, let's not be picky for 19 cm3), a Honda prototype.
Only problem: it's a toy...
Moteur V10 VTEC de 20 litres de cylindrée et double cockpit indépendant, voici les ingrédients du prochain prototype Honda ! Mais ne rêvez pas ce "délire" d'ingénieurs a été conçu... pour les enfants. Ce bolide mesure ainsi 7 cm de longueur, 3 cm de largeur et 2,2 cm en hauteur. Son poids : 40 grammes !

[Paul Jaray]

I said that I will be elastic with the connections, but why are You exploring the limits?
This thing has a  "theoretical" 20 litre "engine" and is fuelled by "Gravity and a child's imagination".
Now, absolutely no problem for the missing 19cm3, but here the real car is missing. The next step will be Donald Duck's car? the limits are not so thight, but at least, post a CAR with a model name and a year (if possible model and year, I know sometimes it isn't).
If you REALLY want to match the capacity, there is another car, a real one and not so obscure of about 20500cc, I can accept that with an "outrageous capacity" connection, but not this.
You have 24hours to change this design with something real...if in the meantime Honda doesn't decide to make it real!

[Ray B.]

Sorry Paul... This was somehow meant as a joke, but...
Well if you admit an "similar engine displacement" or "outrageous capacity" link with a 519 cc difference (which is about the displacement of a Citroen 2CV engine yet), I propose the 1915 Mercedes Benz 79/200 SP, with a diplacement of 20.500cc.

[Allan L]

A nitpicker, he say Daimler and Benz didn't amalgamate until 1926, so it's a Mercedes!

[Ray B.]

My mistake: I wrote it just as it was on the website where I found it, and reproduced theirs.

[Paul Jaray]

That's the car!

Christie Grand Prix (20lt) 1907    and      Mercedes 79\200 PS (20.5lt) from 1915                  exceptional technical specs (capacity, dimensions, top speed, power,....)
Mercedes 79\200 PS                     and      what car?                                                                       why?

[Allan L]

Mercedes 79\200 PS                     and      what car?                                                                       why?

1955 Swallow Doretti based on Triumph mechanical components.
The Mercedes "brand" was named after Mercedes Jellinek, daughter of Daimler's French distributor
The Doretti name came from the Italianisation of Arthur Andersen's daughter Dorothy Dean's name who was also Triumph's distributor for Southern California and by all accounts was a stunning blond.
i.e. both named after young ladies, both of whom were daughters of the cars distributors.

[Ehhxekt]

How about the 1963 Chevrolet Corvette Rondine for the next one? 'Rondine' means 'swallow' in Italian; that is, the same bird – Hirundo rustica – appears in the name of both cars.

[Paul Jaray]

1955 Swallow Doretti based on Triumph mechanical components.
The Mercedes "brand" was named after Mercedes Jellinek, daughter of Daimler's French distributor
The Doretti name came from the Italianisation of Arthur Andersen's daughter Dorothy Dean's name who was also Triumph's distributor for Southern California and by all accounts was a stunning blond.
i.e. both named after young ladies, both of whom were daughters of the cars distributors.

That's definetly a 4 points connection!

Mercedes 79\200 PS  1915     and     Swallow Doretti  1955            both named after daughters of the cars distributors

[Paul Jaray]

How about the 1963 Chevrolet Corvette Rondine for the next one? 'Rondine' means 'swallow' in Italian; that is, the same bird – Hirundo rustica – appears in the name of both cars.

Make perfect sense!

Swallow Doretti  1955                                            and             Chevrolet Corvette Rondine 1963           same name in different language
Chevrolet Corvette Rondine 1963                       and             what car?                                                      why?

[Otto Puzzell]

Chevrolet Corvette Rondine 1963 and the Amphicar. The Corvette name is taken from a sea-going vessel; the Amphicar was a sea-going vessel (not a very good one, but...), that was also a car. 

[Paul Jaray]

Very well
Chevrolet Corvette Rondine 1963    and     Amphicar 770 Cabriolet 1973            name of a vessil & a sea-going car
Amphicar 770 Cabriolet 1973           and     what car?                                                why?