Author Topic: Neverending Chain, now closed!  (Read 94661 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Otto Puzzell

  • Founder and
  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 31557
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 444
  • Open field, with a window.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • AutoPuzzles
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #750 on: February 05, 2010, 04:29:33 AM »
A pedant writes:
a. Golf isn't Gulf
b. Gulf Stream isn't a wind, it's an ocean current
c. Ζέφυρος (Zephyrus or Zephyr) was the Greek god of wind, specifically the West wind

Gulf Stream is both an oceanic current and a prevailing wind.
Volkswagen introduced during a good portion of the latter part of the 20th century were named for winds.
Golf is the German form of Gulf.
I freely admit I'm directionally challenged
You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

Offline faksta

  • Feature Writer
  • *
  • Posts: 4613
  • Country: ru
  • Puzzle Points 409
  • Russian Racer
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #751 on: February 05, 2010, 04:39:25 AM »
If the above link is OK, here is my attempt.

Lincoln Zephyr and 1940 ZIS 101A - both cars were produced at factories which were named after the politic leaders of their countries (Abraham Lincoln and Joseph Stalin respectively).

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #752 on: February 05, 2010, 04:52:59 AM »
A pedant writes:
a. Golf isn't Gulf
b. Gulf Stream isn't a wind, it's an ocean current
c. Ζέφυρος (Zephyrus or Zephyr) was the Greek god of wind, specifically the West wind

Gulf Stream is both an oceanic current and a prevailing wind.
Volkswagen introduced during a good portion of the latter part of the 20th century were named for winds.
Golf is the German form of Gulf.
I freely admit I'm directionally challenged

I'm enjoing your discussion, and I thought Otto's link is good.
I don't think Allan is challenging anyone (but I'm not speaking for him, since he can do for himself) and I appreciate his help to find the right ones.
Sometimes I tend to accept almost every connections because I trust them (for me Golf is Tiger Wood's 2nd sport, that's why there was the Golf ball on the shift stick, but different country may imply different meanings) and you may know more than me.
@Allan, thank you for your support but I'll also would like you to find new connections, besides supposed mistakes.  ;)

@Faksta  :thumbsup:

Offline Allemano

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 18482
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 821
  • almost retired
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #753 on: February 05, 2010, 04:56:10 AM »
A pedant writes:
a. Golf isn't Gulf
b. Gulf Stream isn't a wind, it's an ocean current
c. Ζέφυρος (Zephyrus or Zephyr) was the Greek god of wind, specifically the West wind

Gulf Stream is both an oceanic current and a prevailing wind.
Volkswagen introduced during a good portion of the latter part of the 20th century were named for winds.
Golf is the German form of Gulf.
I freely admit I'm directionally challenged

Nitpicking, but I guess Alan is right. You hardly find a Golf wind in any German dictionary.
Golfstrom ~ Gulf Stream (name giver of the VW Golf)
e.g Golf von Persien ~ Gulf of Persia = an ocean bay
and Golf sport (same spelling in both languages)
« Last Edit: February 05, 2010, 05:04:45 AM by Allemano »

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #754 on: February 05, 2010, 05:22:20 AM »
I know there are points at stake, but this is a game, 1st of all.
I'm glad Allan helps me with the tricky ones, because I can't know all, in all markets and in every languages.
In my language Golf is not a wind, I'm pretty sure VW had not in mind a wind for that name but the same word can be associated to a wind in German language, it seems.
In my language Zephiro is a gentle breeze, like a wind: that's why for me it was good.
I remember you all that we had connection like "both cars are named after polish heavy metal bands "!
I want to keep it serious, but not that serious:
@Allan: your remarks are precious, keep them coming (togheter with your connections)
@Otto: your link it's good, the meaning was right.
@All: it's a game, not a challenge.

Offline Otto Puzzell

  • Founder and
  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 31557
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 444
  • Open field, with a window.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • AutoPuzzles
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #755 on: February 06, 2010, 04:41:13 AM »
I never said Golf by itself was a wind, I said Golf was the German form of Gulf. The term "Golf" (or golfe) predated "Gulf"

Gulf: c.1300, from O.Fr. golfe "a gulf, whirlpool," from It. golfo "a gulf, a bay," from L.L. colfos, from Gk. kolpos "bay, gulf," earlier "trough between waves, fold of a garment," originally "bosom," the common notion being "curved shape," from PIE *qwelp- "to vault" (cf. O.E. hwealf, a-hwielfan "to overwhelm"). Latin sinus underwent the same development, being used first for "bosom," later for "gulf." Replaced O.E. sę-earm. Figurative sense of "a wide interval" is from 1557. The Gulf Stream (1775) takes its name from the Gulf of Mexico.

As to the origins of the car's name being the Gulf Stream, it appears in a few different articles about the car. Here's an example.

You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

Offline Allan L

  • Feature Writer
  • *
  • Posts: 4823
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 414
  • Forum Host in Vintage!
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #756 on: February 06, 2010, 04:55:37 AM »
The USofA origin of that piece results in some strange statements.
He says that the Golf is the successor to the Rabbit but I believe that Rabbit was the Golf's name in North America. In about 1974 the Golf and the Polo were named after games - or will someone tell me that Polo was named after a toroid-shaped mint sweet?
« Last Edit: February 06, 2010, 04:59:15 AM by Allan L »
Opinionated but sometimes wrong

Offline Otto Puzzell

  • Founder and
  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 31557
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 444
  • Open field, with a window.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • AutoPuzzles
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #757 on: February 06, 2010, 06:20:33 AM »
The USofA origin of that piece results in some strange statements.
He says that the Golf is the successor to the Rabbit but I believe that Rabbit was the Golf's name in North America. In about 1974 the Golf and the Polo were named after games - or will someone tell me that Polo was named after a toroid-shaped mint sweet?

Nothing strange about it. In the US, the car sold as the Golf most of the rest of the world, was launched as the Rabbit it its first iteration. Subsequent generations fell in line with the name used elsewhere - "Golf".

Now, here's a site from the UK - land of all that is correct and the font of unassailable and absolute truth - that references the origins of the Golf name:

http://www.1stchoice.co.uk/parts_vwgolf.htm

I eagerly await a response along the lines of "well, that's the internet, bla bla bla". Since the internet is the medium you are using to nay-say my statements, I suppose I should reject your arguments out-of-hand, as well.

Enjoy your mints.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2010, 06:32:04 AM by Otto Puzzell »
You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

Offline Allan L

  • Feature Writer
  • *
  • Posts: 4823
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 414
  • Forum Host in Vintage!
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #758 on: February 06, 2010, 07:08:55 AM »
Who cars how they chose the name really?!

At least it gives me a chance to revive an old joke which was that the Polo was so-called because its price was high enough to make a hole in anybody's mint.
Opinionated but sometimes wrong

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #759 on: February 06, 2010, 08:38:31 AM »
Lincoln Zephyr and 1940 ZIS 101A - both cars were produced at factories which were named after the politic leaders of their countries (Abraham Lincoln and Joseph Stalin respectively).
Who's next?

Offline Otto Puzzell

  • Founder and
  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 31557
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 444
  • Open field, with a window.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • AutoPuzzles
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #760 on: February 06, 2010, 11:28:17 AM »
1940 ZIS 101A and a Datsun 100A

Each shares a name in common with at least one exit /interchange on the US Interstate highway system. (there's an exit 101A in Seminole County, FL, and an exit 100A in Mount Airy, NC)



You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #761 on: February 06, 2010, 11:29:59 AM »
 :lmao: I like this!

Offline 75america

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 1874
  • Country: be
  • Puzzle Points 293
  • Gran Torino
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #762 on: February 06, 2010, 01:11:24 PM »
Datsun 100A and SS 90.  Both brands changed names Nissan - Jaguar


Offline metalshapes

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 883
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 246
  • Hammer & Anvil
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #763 on: February 07, 2010, 01:28:30 AM »
The SS 90  and the 1926 Ford Model T.

The SS 90 cost 310 Pounds, the '26 T cost 310 Dollars.


Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #764 on: February 07, 2010, 06:15:29 AM »
Great ones!

Offline Arunas

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 10527
  • Country: lt
  • Puzzle Points 658
  • Nulla tenaci invia est via
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • https://www.cartefacts.com
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #765 on: February 07, 2010, 06:22:52 AM »
Let's try:

Ford Model T and  TZ Sider 300:

Most T's were painted black while all TZ Siders were only red.

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #766 on: February 07, 2010, 02:40:23 PM »
We already had this one  :-\ : White Red Bus 1936  and  Alfa Romeo SZ 1989 both cars have only one official colour scheme.

Offline Allan L

  • Feature Writer
  • *
  • Posts: 4823
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 414
  • Forum Host in Vintage!
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #767 on: February 07, 2010, 05:41:12 PM »
It is actually a myth that Ford only made black Model Ts - that may have been the case during the war and post-war, but for its first decade or so there were many officially available colours (sorry, colors ;D).
Opinionated but sometimes wrong

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40955
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #768 on: February 07, 2010, 06:29:19 PM »
It is actually a myth that Ford only made black Model Ts - that may have been the case during the war and post-war, but for its first decade or so there were many officially available colours (sorry, colors ;D).

You're right Allan - it's one of those myths like Humphrey Bogart saying "Play it again Sam" or James Cagney saying "You dirty rat".  None of them were ever true but you trying telling anyone that!
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline metalshapes

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 883
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 246
  • Hammer & Anvil
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #769 on: February 07, 2010, 09:42:45 PM »
The black paint Ford used on the ModelT's was called Japan Black.

It was Asphalt based and fast drying.

So when the assembly lines got too quick for other color paints, they used Japan Black.

by the end of the '20s there were other types of paint that could keep up, and you could buy your new Ford in different colors again.


Offline Djetset

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 13475
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 562
  • Car Life
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #770 on: February 08, 2010, 04:49:26 PM »
If the TZ Sider has been disallowed, I guess we are still stuck with the Ford Model T.  So how about;

Ford Model T - the first mass-produced car in America, and...
Citroen Type A - the first mass-produced car in Europe.  Does this one work?
« Last Edit: February 13, 2010, 12:35:02 PM by Djetset »
A car is for life, not just for Christmas.

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #771 on: February 09, 2010, 02:48:31 AM »
It's perfect, and a new thing to learn!

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40955
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #772 on: February 09, 2010, 06:21:00 PM »
Terrific, Djetset.
And we are expecting something at least as spectacular for your 2000th post!
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline pnegyesi

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 30140
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 1179
  • Our Pal
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • Motoring Museums' Lighthouse
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #773 on: February 09, 2010, 11:12:22 PM »
Citroen Type-A and UrSaab - both are the first automotive products of a company, which was previously occupied with military efforts (Citroen produced ammo, Saab produced airplanes)

https://rareandunique.media - Rare&Unique Vehicles magazine
http://magyarjarmu.hu - detailed Hungarian motoring history (Hungarian language)
http://automuseums.info - motoring museums' guide

Offline DynaMike

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 921
  • Country: nl
  • Puzzle Points 230
  • Amsterdam, cool.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Neverending Chain
« Reply #774 on: February 10, 2010, 04:29:12 AM »
This picture somehow looked familiar... http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=10622.75  ;D