Topic: NEH 942 - The Big Bus Puzzle

[pguillem]

Some guesses :

1. Lancia Omicron B3401 from 1927 by Macchi
4. Yellow Model 'Z' from 1930
5. Could it be bodied by Ludewig ?
6 Fiat 413 Monotral bodied by Viberti from 1961
7. Austin K8 bodied by ?
8. Berliet PCM RE
9. Ashok-Leyland in Mumbai
11. Büssing DF
15. B.U.T. ?
16. Viberti Golden Dolphin plastic bus from 1956
17. A Büssing from the 1930's ?
18. Krupp Südwerke Aerobus SWO480 from 1952 bodied by Ludewig
20. A Lancia ?
22. AEC Regal bodied by Gurney-Nutting23. Renault Galion (from 1957 ?), maybe bodied by Amiot
25 Setra Academy Express Continental from 1957 bodied by Kässbohrer

[hondast]

Bus 33: B.E.S.T. from India?

[pguillem]

28. Büssing BS110 in Stockholm
29. Twin Coach from 1938
33. It seems to be a Leyland.
36. Fiat 412 from 1962 bodied by Aerfer

[Amsterdam]

Is #2 a Greyhound concept design by Raymond Loewy?

[Wendax]

I#ve just logged in, amazed to see this puzzle already moved to Expert. So I just tell you what I#ve found out so far. Sorry, if there are some repeats to former solutions.

#1 Lancia Omicron, 1928, six-cylinder-engine of 7.1 litre
#2  1942 drawing by Raymond Loewy for Greyhound Transcontinental Lines
#3 Versare Montreal Type (with arch roof), 1925-1928, electric motor at each end, electricity 4-cylinder Buda engine
#4
#5 Opel Blitz 3t Articulated Bus, Opel 3.6-litre engine, built 1938 by Fahrzeugbau Schumann GmbH Werdau for Dresdner Straßenbahn AG
#6  Viberti Monotral CV61, 12 units built in 1961 for the centennial exhibition "Italia '61" in Torino, Fiat 413 engine with 10676 cc and 180 hp, bodywork by Viberti
#7  Austin K8, ca.1950, bodywork by Kenex?
#8  Berliet PCMR-E, built 1968, 26 built in 1967 and 1968, ex-RATP (Paris Transport), Berliet 6-cylinder-Diesel-engine, 135 hp, Berliet works body
#9  Ashok Leyland double decker bus in Mumbai, India, in service for BEST, coachwork by Antony Motors Pvt. Ltd.
#10 Mercedes-Benz O 305 double decker, BUSAF bodywork, built 1977 to 1985, picture taken in 1994, in service for Germiston City Transport, South Africa
#11 Büssing DF 64, built 1964/1965, the pictured one (BVG #1658) put in service in Berlin on December 29, 1965, body by Gaubschat, Berlin, 29 buses built, engine Büssing U7, 150 hp
#12 1935 Drive Movie Bus, built for the Paramount Studios, the lettering says "Jack Conrads Band"
#13 Mitsubishi Fuso New Aero Queen III KC-MS822P High Deck Coach, 2001, in Yokohama for Kokusai Motorcar
#14 Greyhound
#15 Sunbeam MF2B trolleybus, 1954/55, in service in Kingston-upon-Hull, with Roe 54 seat highbridge bodywork
#16 Golden Dolphin, built in 1956, supposed to have had a gas turbine engine (but uncertain if ever installed), plastic body by Viberti
#17 Mercedes-Benz O 10000 Überlandbus, used by Reichspost, 1937, Mercedes-Benz six-cylinder-11.2-litre-engine 150 hp, 244 units built, body by Mercedes-Benz (Karosserie Sindelfingen)
#18 Henschel HS 140 N , 1953, in service of the Spanish Viajes Meliá, "Reisewagen" body by Trutz
#19 Cyclops, star of the 1976 movie "The Big Bus", supposed to have a nuclear engine, created by production designer Joel Schiller
#20 Lancia Trolleybus, 1967/68, CGE electric engine, in service in Porto, Portugal
#21 Sentinel Landmaster Mark IV, 1955, body by Bellhouse Hartwell of Westhoughton Nr Bolton, in service for Blue Cars
#22 AEC Regal IV, 1953, with Gurney-Nutting body 
#23 Renault Galion, 1952, in service for the Spanish ARESA, probably body by Heuliez
#24
#25 Henschel HS 200 UN for Continental Trailways, 1956, Cummins Diesel engine, body by Kässbohrer, in service on the Denver-Pueblo route, predecessor of the Eagle
#26 Leyland Atlantean, from 1967, in service for Storstockholms Lokaltrafik, instead of tramways, coachwork by Leyland's Park Royal Body Division, Leyland O.600 Diesel engine

#27 Yellow Coach Model 735, built for Fifth Avenue Coach Company in 1938, which took 160 of a total 300; 616 cubic inch GM engine, later converted to diesel engine
#28 Büssing Senator 25 DD, 1964/65, in service in Stockholm, engine and body by Büssing , RHD (later rebuilt for LHD)
#29 Twin Coach
#30
#31 Büssing Aero 1-1/2-Decker, body by Ludewig, Essen, 1955, in service in Bielefeld , Germany
#32 Mauri 6.3 on Fiat 416 chassis, 1966, body by Mauri
#33 Ashok Leyland Articulated Trailer Bus in Bombay for BEST,  1967
#34 Jiangsu Flxible CJ6100SLC3HK Double Deck Transit Bus, 1999, in service in Shenzen, China

#35  AEC Regent III, 1954, in service for Carris Lisbon, Portugal, body by Weymann

#36 Lancia Esatau ? with Viberti coachwork, ca.1967

[Carnut]

I was just in the process of composing and writing out an answer for pguillem, and was intending to lock some of them which are largely correct but lacking some detail.

Before I got the chance to post, however, I saw Wendax's hugely comprehensive list of answers, most (but not all) of which are correct, and many of which include the final details which I was going to ask pguillem for.

So I've had to go away and have a bit of a re-think and will try to decide  how to allocate the points fairly.

It's going to take some time so probably not back until tomorrow!

There are still some gaps for others (not many..) and some answers are not correct but I just can't say which at the moment!

I will give answers in the order in which the replies came in, so first will be pguillem then Hondast then Amsterdam then Wendax.

[pguillem]

I hurried because I guessed that somebody could be pretty quick, that's why many details were missing. Boy, was I right : Wendax answers are tremendous !  It definitely seems that we have some bus experts at AutoPuzzles. methinks that there are also some truck experts. 

[Wendax]

Well, I had a lot of fun the last days.  
And I still have:

#14 is a 1933 Yellow Coach model 709, built by General Motors Truck Corporation in Pontiac, Michigan, powered by a GMC 253 cu. in., 76 hp, front mounted gasoline engine. This was the smallest general bus (city type) built by GM (20 passenger) and only 63 were made.


My answer to #3 has lost some words on the way. The last remark should have been:
electricity generated by 4-cylinder Buda gas engine

[pguillem]

Well, I had a lot of fun the last days.  
And I still have:

#14 is a 1933 Yellow Coach model 709, built by General Motors Truck Corporation in Pontiac, Michigan, powered by a GMC 253 cu. in., 76 hp, front mounted gasoline engine. This was the smallest general bus (city type) built by GM (20 passenger) and only 63 were made.


My answer to #3 has lost some words on the way. The last remark should have been:
electricity generated by 4-cylinder Buda gas engine

Just in case... I couldn't find on the Net any decent photograph of model 709 but I had one of 1935 model 715.  Could it be ?

[pguillem]

My answer to #3 has lost some words on the way. The last remark should have been:
electricity generated by 4-cylinder Buda gas engine

The Versare bus was nicknamed "Atwater Monster" or "Green Monster".  It is a 800 model.

[Wendax]

800 is not really the model name, but the car number given by the Montreal Tramways, I think.

[Carnut]

2 points to Tom_I for his reply No. 24 re Bus 17 - both are correct!

[Carnut]

Bus 33: B.E.S.T. from India?

Yes, but I didn't actually ask that question so no points!

[Carnut]

Fahrzeugbau Schumann, 1939.

2 points to you for getting both the coachbuilder and the tractor.

[Carnut]

Now to pguillem's first list:

1. 2 points for bus and builder, but I haven't actually been able to verify the builder so if I find out it wasn't Macchi I'll have to take a point away again!
4. Yes, it's a Yellow Coach Model Z, but which Model Z?
5. Answered already by Hondast
6. Yes and yes - 2 points!
7. Make already answered by billtorrance but still awaiting correct coachbuilder
8. Yes - 1 point
9. Yes - 1 point
11. Yes - 1 point
15. No - see Wendax's reply
16. Yes - 1 point
17. Already answered correctly by Tom_I
18. No
20. Yes - but which Model Lancia?
22. Yes and yes - 2 points!
23. Yes and yes - 2 points
25. 1 point for bodybuilder; Wendax gets the other point later!

So that's 13 points for starters!

[Carnut]

28. Büssing BS110 in Stockholm
29. Twin Coach from 1938
33. It seems to be a Leyland.
36. Fiat 412 from 1962 bodied by Aerfer

28. Yes - 1 point
29. Yes - 1 point
33. Yes but more info need for the point!
36. Yes and yes - 2 points.

So there's 4 more points!

[Carnut]

Is #2 a Greyhound concept design by Raymond Loewy?

Yes!
1 point to you.

[Amsterdam]

Am I loosing it or are post disappearing here  

I thought I read a post about the Yellow Coaches #4 and #27?
When you said Yellow coach was wrong I continued my search but came up with the same answers and decided to leave it.

What I found was:

#4 1931 Yellow Coach Z-BH-602 #1244 for Fifth Avenue Coach Company
#27 1938 Yellow Coach Model 735 #2015 for Fifth Avenue Coach Company
 

[Carnut]

Am I loosing it or are post disappearing here  

I thought I read a post about the Yellow Coaches #4 and #27?
When you said Yellow coach was wrong I continued my search but came up with the same answers and decided to leave it.

What I found was:

#4 1931 Yellow Coach Z-BH-602 #1244 for Fifth Avenue Coach Company
#27 1938 Yellow Coach Model 735 #2015 for Fifth Avenue Coach Company
 

No, the posts are still there on Page 1.
I think I have misled you on #27 and it turns out it is by Yellow Coach Co after all, so I will be giving you a point, although I will also have to give Wendax a point for it because he also got it right before I had the chance to revise what I said to you!
Also you will get a point for #4 in due course because you are the first to identify its model name in full.

[Amsterdam]

Thanks Carnut.  

About the missing post, I did not mean the original posts on the first page.
I thought fur sure you replied back to me on those today, but when I returned it was gone.......Or should I stop drinking? 

[Carnut]

Now to Wendax's long list:
1. Already answered by points awarded
2. Already answered and point awarded.
3. Correct - 1 point
5. Already answered and points awarded.
6. Already answered and points awarded.
7. Make already answered and point awarded but bodybuilder still not correctly identified (not Kenex).
8. Already answered and point awarded
9. Make answered and point awarded but 1 point for the bodybuilder.
10. Yes and yes - 2 points
11. Point already awarded for make but you get 1 point for bodybuilder.
12. Yes - 1 point
13. Yes - 1 point
14. No
15. Yes and yes - 2 points (Hull Corporation Transport gave it a name too: Coronation Class, in recognition of when it was first introduced)
16. Already answered and point awarded.
17. Already answered and points awarded.
18. Yes and yes - 2 points
19. Already answered and point awarded.
20. Yes - but which model of Lancia still not answered
21. Yes and yes - 2 points
22. Already answered and points awarded.
23. Already answered and points awarded.
25. Bodybuilder already identified and point awarded but 1 point to you for Henschel
26. Yes and yes - 2 points
27. Yes - 1 point for the GM I was looking for!
28. Make already identified and point awarded but 1 point for bodybuilder.
29. Already answered and apoint awarded
31. Yes and yes - 2 points
32. Yes and yes - 2 points
33. Yes but which Leyland model and who built the body?
34. Yes - 1 point
35. Yes and yes - 2 points
36. No and no.

So that's 25 points for starters!  Well done.

[Carnut]

Thanks Carnut.  

About the missing post, I did not mean the original posts on the first page.
I thought fur sure you replied back to me on those today, but when I returned it was gone.......Or should I stop drinking? 

Maybe I did - I can't remember.  I did put a couple of posts up before lunch but took them down almost immediately due a slight rethink!  Maybe it was one of those!

[Carnut]

Well, I had a lot of fun the last days.  
And I still have:

#14 is a 1933 Yellow Coach model 709, built by General Motors Truck Corporation in Pontiac, Michigan, powered by a GMC 253 cu. in., 76 hp, front mounted gasoline engine. This was the smallest general bus (city type) built by GM (20 passenger) and only 63 were made.


My answer to #3 has lost some words on the way. The last remark should have been:
electricity generated by 4-cylinder Buda gas engine

#14 is a Yellow Coach, yes, but that's not the model or year I have.

[Carnut]

Well, I had a lot of fun the last days.  
And I still have:

#14 is a 1933 Yellow Coach model 709, built by General Motors Truck Corporation in Pontiac, Michigan, powered by a GMC 253 cu. in., 76 hp, front mounted gasoline engine. This was the smallest general bus (city type) built by GM (20 passenger) and only 63 were made.


My answer to #3 has lost some words on the way. The last remark should have been:
electricity generated by 4-cylinder Buda gas engine

Just in case... I couldn't find on the Net any decent photograph of model 709 but I had one of 1935 model 715.  Could it be ?

You're spot-on with the make and date but it's still not the model number I have!

[Amsterdam]

20. Yes - but which model of Lancia still not answered


Is it LANCIA 1967 66 C ?