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JPG #71 Solved : 1927 Georges Irat 15cv or 4A rebodied
« on: October 23, 2010, 06:00:27 PM »
What“s it? Complete answer please!
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2010, 07:34:58 PM »
Nexstep!
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2010, 03:34:24 PM »
British?
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2010, 12:30:41 AM »
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2010, 05:59:29 AM »
Spanish?
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2010, 01:15:00 PM »
Not a Spanish car
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2010, 01:20:06 PM »
French?
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2010, 01:42:22 PM »
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2010, 02:14:23 PM »
Coachbuilt body?
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2010, 02:18:23 PM »
Quote from: woodinsight on December 20, 2010, 02:14:23 PM
Coachbuilt body?

I don't think so..It's an "old" car with an adapted body
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2011, 02:15:21 AM »
Since even in earlier times it was quite uncommon to rebody cars unless for competetive reasons, it probably was a valuable chassis whose body was outdated. So I start at the very top, especially since the decal on the bumper wasn't used by too many a manufacturer. My first guess: Hispano-Suiza.
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2011, 10:04:02 AM »
Quote from: Wendax on January 26, 2011, 02:15:21 AM
Since even in earlier times it was quite uncommon to rebody cars unless for competetive reasons, it probably was a valuable chassis whose body was outdated. So I start at the very top, especially since the decal on the bumper wasn't used by too many a manufacturer. My first guess: Hispano-Suiza.

Yes,it's a valuable chassis! but not a Hispano-Suiza
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2011, 11:55:37 AM »
Panhard?
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2011, 12:03:12 PM »
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2011, 12:24:01 PM »
Hi-ho, hi-ho, and off to work we go:
is it Delage?
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2011, 12:44:06 PM »
Quote from: Wendax on January 26, 2011, 12:24:01 PM
Hi-ho, hi-ho, and off to work we go:
is it Delage?

Not a Delage,Delahaye or Talbot
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2011, 01:23:10 PM »
So it is more obscure, well done.
I estimate the body being built around 1935. Was the maker of the chassis still active at that time?
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2011, 01:29:07 PM »
Quote from: Wendax on January 26, 2011, 01:23:10 PM
So it is more obscure, well done.
I estimate the body being built around 1935. Was the maker of the chassis still active at that time?

Yes! and more 19 years!
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2011, 01:44:50 PM »
Since you ruled out Delahaye, the only French car manufacturer left, who quitted car production in 1954, is Hotchkiss. Am I right?
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2011, 01:49:19 PM »
Quote from: Wendax on January 26, 2011, 01:44:50 PM
Since you ruled out Delahaye, the only French car manufacturer left, who quitted car production in 1954, is Hotchkiss. Am I right?

No,the year is 1953..and not Hotchkiss or Salmson  ;)
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2011, 02:37:27 PM »
Regarding which companies you ruled out, and excluding those closing down before 1953 (Bugatti 1951, Chenard & Walcker 1937, Delaunay-Belleville 1948), leaves only one French up-market manufacturer, that is Voisin. Or have I made a mistake?
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2011, 02:50:53 PM »
Quote from: Wendax on January 26, 2011, 02:37:27 PM
Regarding which companies you ruled out, and excluding those closing down before 1953 (Bugatti 1951, Chenard & Walcker 1937, Delaunay-Belleville 1948), leaves only one French up-market manufacturer, that is Voisin. Or have I made a mistake?

Not Voisin,Bugatti,Chenard & Walcker or Delaunay-Belleville.

In 1935, a sports car with a 954 or 1100 cc Ruby engine and four-wheel drive was introduced.These were sold almost exclusively in France.Some 1,000 of the sports cars with a Ruby engine had been sold!
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2011, 02:59:44 PM »
Okay, then it's Georges Irat. I forgot that they built the Voiture du Bled (VDB) until 1953, and because I was looking in a 1935 catalogue of French cars, I forgot that before the little Ruby-engined sports car, they built quite impressive cars. Do you know whether there is a 11 CV or a 15 CV underneath the newer body?
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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2011, 03:20:46 PM »
Yes,It's a Georges Irat  ;D It's from 1927,so I believe it's a 15cv or maybe a late 4A. With a Salmson S4 body?

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Re: JPG #71
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2011, 04:20:31 PM »
Found another rebodied Georges Irat on the web  :)

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