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Title: Fun #30 - 1904 Downshire 7 HP
Post by: Otto Puzzell on August 24, 2011, 05:33:47 AM: From the primordial automotive ooze emerged many short-lived cars, including this one.

For 1 point, identify the builder and year.

Be sure to answer all parts of the question, if you'd like the point.

Only complete answers will earn a point

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Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Otto Puzzell on August 30, 2011, 05:06:55 AM: No Rookie attempts.

Experts?
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 06, 2011, 05:14:39 AM: Experts are silent, too.

Pros?
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: neilshouse on September 06, 2011, 07:45:54 AM: It it a Brush from 1906?
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 06, 2011, 08:43:46 AM: Quote from: neilshouse on September 06, 2011, 07:45:54 AM
It it a Brush from 1906?

I dare say it's much more obscure.
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Wendax on September 06, 2011, 08:54:25 AM: But American?
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 06, 2011, 02:00:55 PM: Not from the US
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: João on September 08, 2011, 01:55:30 PM: British?
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 08, 2011, 03:40:10 PM: From the UK.
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Wendax on September 10, 2011, 04:25:34 PM: Aster engined?
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 11, 2011, 04:33:28 AM: Quote from: Wendax on September 10, 2011, 04:25:34 PM
Aster engined?

No - the engine was (as near as I can determine) designed and built in-house.
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Wendax on September 11, 2011, 01:08:47 PM: Is it a Gilbert?
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 11, 2011, 01:19:40 PM: Quote from: Wendax on September 11, 2011, 01:08:47 PM
Is it a Gilbert?

No
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Wendax on September 11, 2011, 02:50:47 PM: Is it a Brit?
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 11, 2011, 03:48:15 PM: Quote from: Wendax on September 11, 2011, 02:50:47 PM
Is it a Brit?

If that is a brand; no
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Wendax on September 11, 2011, 03:56:03 PM: Cundall?
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 12, 2011, 04:08:05 AM: Quote from: Wendax on September 11, 2011, 03:56:03 PM
Cundall?

No sir
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Wendax on September 12, 2011, 04:44:42 AM: Built before 1905?
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 12, 2011, 05:10:26 AM: Quote from: Wendax on September 12, 2011, 04:44:42 AM
Built before 1905?

Yes it was
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Wendax on September 12, 2011, 11:41:45 AM: Does it have a two cylinder engine like the Thomas from 1903?
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 12, 2011, 11:42:57 AM: Quote from: Wendax on September 12, 2011, 11:41:45 AM
Does it have a two cylinder engine like the Thomas from 1903?

It has a two-cylinder engine.
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Wendax on September 12, 2011, 11:45:30 AM: Is it the Metropolitan from 1901?
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 12, 2011, 12:09:47 PM: No sir
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Wendax on September 12, 2011, 12:16:13 PM: 1903 Adams?
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 12, 2011, 12:19:28 PM: Not an Adams
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 12, 2011, 12:23:34 PM: A bit newer than the last two guesses. ;)
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Wendax on September 12, 2011, 12:37:07 PM: That makes it a British car from 1904 with a two cylinder engine built by the company itself.

Although the one still existing looks different: is it a Celer?
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 12, 2011, 12:38:57 PM: There is more than that one remaining make from the UK of that specification.

Not a Celer
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Wendax on September 12, 2011, 03:41:16 PM: Soames?
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 12, 2011, 03:43:17 PM: Quote from: Wendax on September 12, 2011, 03:41:16 PM
Soames?

Stay closer to the start of the alphabet ;)
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Wendax on September 12, 2011, 04:26:56 PM: Albany?
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Paul Jaray on September 12, 2011, 04:31:40 PM: Arbee 2HP 1904?
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 12, 2011, 08:20:16 PM: Quote from: Paul Jaray on September 12, 2011, 04:31:40 PM
Arbee 2HP 1904?

Name doesn't start with "a"

More than 2 HP
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Paul Jaray on September 13, 2011, 04:36:58 AM: Dennis 14HP 1904?
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 13, 2011, 04:45:00 AM: Quote from: Paul Jaray on September 13, 2011, 04:36:58 AM
D ~~ennis 14~~HP 1904?

Right first letter; year is spot-on.

Halve that HP number...
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Paul Jaray on September 13, 2011, 04:57:48 AM: Dougill?
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Allemano on September 13, 2011, 05:01:58 AM: Downshire from Belfast?
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 13, 2011, 05:02:22 AM: Quote from: Paul Jaray on September 13, 2011, 04:57:48 AM
Dougill?

No...
Title: Re: Fun #30
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 13, 2011, 05:02:34 AM: Quote from: Allemano on September 13, 2011, 05:01:58 AM
Downshire from Belfast?

Yes!

It's the 1904 Downshire 7 HP
Title: Re: Fun #30 - 1904 Downshire 7 HP
Post by: Paul Jaray on September 13, 2011, 05:17:30 AM: That's why I couldn't find it...I had it under Chambers (1904-1927) as reported in Georgano's Encyclopedias (both the Beaulieu and the New Encyclopedia), and a couple of other books!

Another cool puzzle! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Fun #30 - 1904 Downshire 7 HP
Post by: Wendax on September 13, 2011, 05:18:59 AM: Quote from: Paul Jaray on September 13, 2011, 05:17:30 AM
That's why I couldn't find it...I had it under Chambers (1904-1927) as reported in Georgano's Encyclopedias (both the Beaulieu and the New Encyclopedia), and a couple of other books!

Another cool puzzle! :thumbsup:

Same with me ;)
Title: Re: Fun #30 - 1904 Downshire 7 HP
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 13, 2011, 05:19:20 AM: Quote from: Paul Jaray on September 13, 2011, 05:17:30 AM
That's why I couldn't find it...I had it under Chambers (1904-1927) as reported in Georgano's Encyclopedias (both the Beaulieu and the New Encyclopedia), and a couple of other books!

Another cool puzzle! :thumbsup:

Should I change the heading?
Title: Re: Fun #30 - 1904 Downshire 7 HP
Post by: Wendax on September 13, 2011, 05:24:57 AM: No, I think Downshire is the correct name for this one. It was changed to Chambers in 1905 as I found out.
Title: Re: Fun #30 - 1904 Downshire 7 HP
Post by: Allemano on September 13, 2011, 06:04:01 AM: According to my source Robert Chambers was first producing other technical products before he and his brother James (Jack) presented their first automobile with a 7 HP 2 cyl. boxer engine in 1904. James was at Vauxhall before and had been involved in building their first motor car. As mentioned by Wendax they changed the name to Chambers in 1905.
Downshire was an industrial destrict of Belfast.
Title: Re: Fun #30 - 1904 Downshire 7 HP
Post by: Carnut on September 13, 2011, 06:20:04 AM: Quote from: Allemano on September 13, 2011, 06:04:01 AM
Downshire was an industrial destrict of Belfast.

Not sure about that?
Belfast sits in 2 of the 6 Northern Irish counties, Co. Antrim and Co. Down.
Downshire is an Anglicisation of 'County Down', but is used also in Northern Ireland; there are plenty of streets named 'Downshire' something or other and companies use it, e.g. Downshire Timber Co.
I know Co Down extremely well as my wife comes from there, and I have been there 3 times in the last 6 weeks... It's actualy very beautiful.
Title: Re: Fun #30 - 1904 Downshire 7 HP
Post by: gte4289 on March 01, 2025, 10:26:51 PM: Another photo