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Title: Fun #104 - M Gustav Mees' Gasoline Carriage
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 07, 2011, 04:24:25 AM
Yet another ancient vehicle from the dawn of the automotive industry

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Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2011, 03:50:50 AM
European?
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 08, 2011, 04:04:31 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2011, 04:53:07 AM
German?
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 08, 2011, 04:59:37 AM
Good eye - I suspect you know what this one is.
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2011, 05:30:09 AM
At first sight I thought it could be a Benz, but wouldn't that be too simple?
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 08, 2011, 05:35:13 AM
No, not a Benz
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2011, 05:47:09 AM
Orient-Express?
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 08, 2011, 05:53:53 AM
Not one of those. One-word brand, same its inventor's surname.
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2011, 06:42:49 AM
Lutzmann?
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 08, 2011, 06:59:00 AM
No
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2011, 07:29:51 AM
Beckmann?
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 08, 2011, 08:20:32 AM
No. The name does not end with mann
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: pnegyesi on December 08, 2011, 09:34:29 AM
Klingenberg?
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 08, 2011, 10:37:38 AM
No. The name does not end with berg
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2011, 12:09:56 PM
Dürkopp?
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: pnegyesi on December 08, 2011, 01:38:30 PM
Could this be an early DeDietrich?
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 08, 2011, 01:47:09 PM
Neither of those. Name is one syllable
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2011, 02:29:59 PM
Is it petrol engined?
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Oguerrerob on December 08, 2011, 04:24:55 PM
Horch?
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 08, 2011, 05:25:56 PM
Is it petrol engined?

According to my source, yes. If a widely quoted automotive reference says otherwise, I cannot be held responsible.  ;)
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 08, 2011, 05:26:08 PM
Horch?

No
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2011, 02:22:09 AM
Kruse? (Although, it has two syllables)
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 09, 2011, 04:09:13 AM
Kruse? (Although, it has two syllables)

Nope
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2011, 04:17:52 AM
Neuss?
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 09, 2011, 04:20:24 AM
Not that one
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2011, 09:09:45 AM
Built before 1900?
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 09, 2011, 09:39:26 AM
No
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: woodinsight on December 09, 2011, 10:23:57 AM
Boes of 1904?
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 09, 2011, 10:27:54 AM
Mars?
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 09, 2011, 10:28:44 AM
Boes of 1904?

No
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 09, 2011, 10:29:56 AM
Mars?

No, but you got two letters right  :)

M _ _ s
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 09, 2011, 10:43:48 AM
Can't find it in my index... :-\
Was it made around 1900-1901?
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: woodinsight on December 09, 2011, 10:50:05 AM
I can't find this one either..... >:(
I was thinking Mors but that's French.
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: João on December 09, 2011, 10:58:54 AM
I was thinking the same.
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 09, 2011, 12:07:18 PM
Can't find it in my index... :-\
Was it made around 1900-1901?

Yes!
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2011, 12:14:38 PM
Mies?
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 09, 2011, 12:17:10 PM
Not Mors; not French.

It may be this is the only one of this type made, or one of a very small production run.

I must correct an earlier response or two. While the publication from which I obtained the puzzle picture dates from 1900, further investigation indicates the car was built before then. It was lauded in its home country for its exemplary design and the care with which it was constructed.

My apologies to all.
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 09, 2011, 12:18:23 PM
Mies?

M_es.

Since you were slighted by my earlier "not built before 1900 misstatement", this one is locked for you.
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2011, 12:21:00 PM
I go for Mues.
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 09, 2011, 01:22:29 PM
We're running out of vowels ;)
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: woodinsight on December 09, 2011, 01:34:15 PM
Still locked?
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 09, 2011, 01:44:15 PM
I'll give Wendax another go at it, unless he'd like to pass.
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2011, 01:50:55 PM
Mees?
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 09, 2011, 01:55:32 PM
Mees?

That's it! Please share what you know; I'd be happy to post some additional pictures and information.   
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2011, 02:07:33 PM
Sorry, but in the end it was pure guessing. I haven't found anything about a Mr. Mees in connection with early German automobiles. I'm very interested in your forthcoming information. The car surely looks German. With its rear engine and artillery wheels it follows the early Benz and Lutzmann lines.
Title: Re: Fun #104
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 09, 2011, 02:19:36 PM
I'll do an upload shortly.
Title: Re: Fun #104 - M Gustav Mees' Gasoline Carriage
Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2011, 02:30:57 PM
Gustav Mees seems to have invented the desmodromic valve system in 1896. He was from Barmen (now Wuppertal), but worked in Wetzikon, Switzerland around 1898. I found this picture of a Victoria built in 1898 by the "Erste Automobilfabrik der Schweiz" in Wetzikon. It looks rather similar, doesn't it? The head of the workshop was Franz Brozincevic of later FBW fame. Automobil Revue states that "a few dozens" of those Wetzikons were built. So I guess the puzzle car is one of them.
Title: Re: Fun #104 - M Gustav Mees' Gasoline Carriage
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 09, 2011, 04:30:16 PM
.
Title: Re: Fun #104 - M Gustav Mees' Gasoline Carriage
Post by: Otto Puzzell on December 09, 2011, 04:30:43 PM
More on the morrow.
Title: Re: Fun #104 - M Gustav Mees' Gasoline Carriage
Post by: DeAutogids on March 26, 2013, 05:03:24 PM
Which year is this Mees-vehicle? I assume it is before 1898, considering the comments of Wendax
Title: Re: Fun #104 - M Gustav Mees' Gasoline Carriage
Post by: Otto Puzzell on March 26, 2013, 05:14:04 PM
I'll see if I still have other info at home. While the article I inserted included lots of technical data, no date of construction was included.