Topic: Who-what-where by Ray B. #554 - Teddy Tetzlaff winning the 1910 Santa Monica road race in a Lozier

[Ray B.]

What is this car, who is at the wheel, and where(City) and when (year) did this event take place?

For one point please give us the complete answer to these questions. Partial answers will be relied to by 'uncomplete'.

For another point, you can add the month and more precise place where this picture was taken.

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[Ray B.]

Upgraded you are, little puzzle!

[Tackitt]

A lot of info to put together but:
1905 Pope-Toledo, driven by Bert Dingley?

[Ray B.]

The year I ask is the year of the event, not of the car.
Otherwise your wrong on all counts, BUT... the driver that you proposed raced again the one of this puzzle at the same place. So you're on the right way.

[Tackitt]

1911 American Grand Prize, Savannah, Georgia
Driver - Ralph Mulford  Car - Lozier 6

What I couldn't understand, once I found it, was why his car number does not match any of the car numbers assigned in the entry lists.

[Ray B.]

1911 American Grand Prize, Savannah, Georgia
Driver - Ralph Mulford  Car - Lozier 6

What I couldn't understand, once I found it, was why his car number does not match any of the car numbers assigned in the entry lists.

Because it's not the same race and not the same driver. The background looks quite different. Compare my picture and those of the Savannah race. I don't seen no horseman among the crowd in Savannah. Maybe you found a miscaptioned picture.
However, the got the car right, and you're in the right years though.  You're getting nearer.
Locked for Tackitt 48 hours.

[Tackitt]

You are right. The picture you have here is the one I found in a website devoted to the Savannah race. And, with the little palm trees in the back, I figured it had to be right though some things didn't add up. And, I didn't even notice the horseman in the picture!
I am still having trouble finding the exact race so I am going to narrow it down to the California tracks and make a guess. If I am wrong, I have two more to try. 
Driver - Harry Grant
Race - Panama - Pacific Road Race, San Francisco

[Ray B.]

Not that event, town or driver, but California is OK.

[Tackitt]

Well then, lets narrow it down.  Venue - Bakersfield?

[Tackitt]

Driver - Ted Tetzlaff?

[Ray B.]

Right driver, wrong venue. You're inches off the solution now.

[Tackitt]

One more time.
Venue - Santa Monica?

[Ray B.]

You did it. Except for the year. Now, to secure your point, tell us the year. Still locked for you 24 hours

[Tackitt]

I thought you said I had the year but you didn't. You said I was in the year(s).
I can not find the #3 Lozier at Santa Monica anywhere.
"Terrible" Ted Tetzlaff (So named for his terrible treatment of his cars) -
1909 - #8 Lozier
1910 - No races at Santa Monica
1911 - FIAT
1912 - FIAT
1913 - FIAT
1914 - Maxwell
Did not participate in 1915 nor 1916
Loziers were not competitive after this point.

[Ray B.]

I can not find the #3 Lozier at Santa Monica anywhere.
"Terrible" Ted Tetzlaff (So named for his terrible treatment of his cars) -
1909 - #8 Lozier
1910 - No races at Santa Monica
1911 - FIAT
1912 - FIAT
1913 - FIAT
1914 - Maxwell
Did not participate in 1915 nor 1916
Loziers were not competitive after this point.

There was a race at Santa Monica in 1910, with Tetzlaff in a Lozier N°3. I have the exact date. Maybe not in the category you think.
Let's say  that what you found is enough for the first point.

Exact date and exact place for a second point. But now the lock is up. It's a free for all.

[Allemano]

There was a race at Santa Monica in 1910, with Tetzlaff in a Lozier N°3. I have the exact date.

[Tackitt]

It was a Free-for-All race all right. Thanksgiving Day, November 24, 1910, Santa Monica!

[Tackitt]

24 laps, 325.1 kilometers. Won by Ted Tetzlaff in the #3 Lozier.
Bert Dingley was second, some five minutes behind in a Pope-Hartford. 

[Ray B.]

Perfect. Now to complete what was required for the second point, you must be more precise regarding the place. The name of street, boulevard or avenue will do. It's on the internet. Locked for you again.

[Tackitt]

Start/Finish was at Ocean and Montana, headed south. Newspapers and promoters dubbed the turn at Wilshire "Dead Man's Curve" in order to generate excitement for the spectators. Go figure. The course went uphill along Wilshire to the Old Soldier's Home (Veteran's Center today) then back down on San Vicente. At 8.4 miles per lap, the course was considered radically short for its day.
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[Ray B.]

Fantastic. You  didn't name the exact place (Ocean Avenue), but you found the map, which is about the same.
Two well deserved points. And below is the sequence of Tetzlaff's finish.