Author Topic: Barrett's #229 - Solved - Salvatori - Manoukian Bugatti special, 1954 (Read 1605 times)

barrett · « **on:** October 28, 2011, 02:56:47 PM »

An unfinished car.... who built it and when, and what engine did it use for a point. I'll give a bonus point to anyone who can provide a picture of it with finished bodywork!

Julien1A · « **Reply #1 on:** October 28, 2011, 03:35:22 PM »

John dodd's beast with rolls royce merlin engine?

barrett · « **Reply #2 on:** October 28, 2011, 08:32:03 PM »

Not that, this car pre-dates that by several decades!

barrett · « **Reply #3 on:** November 03, 2011, 09:23:57 AM »

Experts?

barrett · « **Reply #4 on:** November 06, 2011, 11:58:48 AM »

Not much action here, moving up a level

faksta · « **Reply #5 on:** November 06, 2011, 01:19:26 PM »

European, late 40s - early 50s?

barrett · « **Reply #6 on:** November 06, 2011, 01:27:29 PM »

Quote from: faksta on November 06, 2011, 01:19:26 PM

European, late 40s - early 50s?

Indeed, I think it dates from around 1954

woodinsight · « **Reply #7 on:** November 06, 2011, 01:39:12 PM »

British?

barrett · « **Reply #8 on:** November 06, 2011, 02:39:28 PM »

The car was being constructed in the UK, but the drivetrain is from a foreign car

woodinsight · « **Reply #9 on:** November 06, 2011, 03:07:16 PM »

Is it a known make or a one-off?

barrett · « **Reply #10 on:** November 07, 2011, 03:54:28 AM »

A privately constructed one-off

woodinsight · « **Reply #11 on:** November 07, 2011, 05:12:01 AM »

It reminded me of the one-off Kieft-Oldsmobile but I guess that's not it.
Is it an American engine/drivetrain?

barrett · « **Reply #12 on:** November 07, 2011, 06:42:10 AM »

Not that, and the drivetrain is European

faksta · « **Reply #13 on:** November 07, 2011, 11:57:15 AM »

Any Bugatti parts?

barrett · « **Reply #14 on:** November 07, 2011, 12:45:20 PM »

Quote from: faksta on November 07, 2011, 11:57:15 AM

Any Bugatti parts?

Yes! The motor is ex-Bugatti, Locked for your next reply to see if you can find out who put it together

faksta · « **Reply #15 on:** November 07, 2011, 01:51:26 PM »

Is it a T57 straight-8 then?

barrett · « **Reply #16 on:** November 07, 2011, 05:00:21 PM »

I'm not entirely sure. The article just describes it as a 'Bugatti 5 litre' but isn't specific about it's provenance. Here's a front view which may be helpful;

bentleybob · « **Reply #17 on:** November 07, 2011, 05:39:59 PM »

Is this still locked?

faksta · « **Reply #18 on:** November 08, 2011, 09:34:21 AM »

Maybe a Frazer-Nash - Bugatti by some Mr.Pittaway?

If not, it's your turn, bentleybob.

barrett · « **Reply #19 on:** November 08, 2011, 04:08:57 PM »

Quote from: faksta on November 08, 2011, 09:34:21 AM

Maybe a Frazer-Nash - Bugatti by some Mr.Pittaway?

If not, it's your turn, bentleybob.

It's not that one.

Please go ahead bentleybob

bentleybob · « **Reply #20 on:** November 09, 2011, 10:20:37 AM »

Bugatti 50 base, adapted to hold the early 1950's Saoutchik coupé body?

faksta · « **Reply #21 on:** November 09, 2011, 10:45:41 AM »

The usual question from my side: was it (intended to be) raced?

barrett · « **Reply #22 on:** November 09, 2011, 07:30:55 PM »

Quote from: bentleybob on November 09, 2011, 10:20:37 AM

Bugatti 50 base, adapted to hold the early 1950's Saoutchik coupé body?

No, this car has the Bugatti engine, and parts from many other cars. I believe the chassis was built specifically for this project.

HOWEVER! There is a very strong link with the Saoutchik bodied T50....! I'm locking this for you to see if you can find that link...

I'll also answer faksta's question; I don't believe this was built with any sort of competition in mind, but as an 'ultimate road car'

bentleybob · « **Reply #23 on:** November 10, 2011, 04:23:16 PM »

Motor dated July 7 1954 explaining what happened to the spare engine owned by mr. George Salvatori and Mr John Manoukian, who imported the Saoutchik bodied Bugatti Type 50 for Harry Hyams, with a home made tubular chassis (like a D-type Jaguar), Hobbs semi-automatic transmission, disc brakes to the front, Gregoire-inspired independent suspension, De Dion rear axle, HWM differential and Riley steering. Buiding these is usually more fun than getting all the faults out – an endless process, and I do not know if ever a body was fitted.

barrett · « **Reply #24 on:** November 10, 2011, 04:38:41 PM »

That's the one, well done. Not easy, I think.

The article states that Mr. Salvatori was actually responsible for the styling of the Saoutchik Type 50 which was built to his design...

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Author Topic: Barrett's #229 - Solved - Salvatori - Manoukian Bugatti special, 1954 (Read 1605 times)