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Title: Solved: PN #44 -- Ekkehard Zimmermann Studie 2, 1971
Post by: pnegyesi on February 06, 2010, 12:07:09 AM
Can you identify this? Country, year and name of builder will result in one more point for you! (with apologies about the quality of the pic)
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on February 17, 2010, 10:53:52 AM
Experts, have you seen this one before?
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on February 24, 2010, 03:49:06 AM
Professionals, you receive a clue: two major carmakers are related to this car
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: Allemano on February 24, 2010, 03:50:41 AM
Fiat is one of them?
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on February 24, 2010, 03:58:28 AM
No
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 24, 2010, 05:41:22 AM
Australian?
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on February 24, 2010, 05:54:35 AM
Absolutely not. And before you misinterpret my clue, "related" doesn't mean involved...
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: Allemano on February 24, 2010, 05:58:21 AM
It looks like a home-made car as the side intakes are treated not too accurately.
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: Arunas on February 24, 2010, 06:10:09 AM
I am almost sure Bertone has nothing to do with it, but I had to ask, hadn't I? :D
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on February 24, 2010, 06:14:32 AM
It is home-made, but there were plans for production. And no, Bertone got nothing to do with it
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: Allemano on February 24, 2010, 06:17:26 AM
From Europe?
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on February 24, 2010, 06:21:05 AM
Yes, created in Europe
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: Allemano on February 24, 2010, 06:26:33 AM
France?
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on February 24, 2010, 06:28:47 AM
Nope
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on February 24, 2010, 06:33:01 AM
I did a little research to see whether I can find any information on this car on-line. You'll have your work cut out. It is mentioned by the guy in an interview, but there are no photos.

I'll give clues a bit later :)
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: hugo90 on February 28, 2010, 11:24:56 PM
Is SAAB one of the cars involved?
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on February 28, 2010, 11:48:12 PM
No, not at all
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: Allemano on March 01, 2010, 02:23:38 AM
NSU?
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on March 01, 2010, 02:48:09 AM
No, not that
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: Allemano on March 01, 2010, 03:37:11 AM
From Switzerland, again?
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on March 01, 2010, 04:37:13 AM
No, this time it is not from CH, but fairly close...
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: Allemano on March 01, 2010, 04:46:19 AM
Austria?
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on March 01, 2010, 04:50:04 AM
In-between the two
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: Allemano on March 01, 2010, 04:53:47 AM
Liechtenstein!
Jehle related?
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on March 01, 2010, 05:03:33 AM
Hmm, you seem to miss a rather large German-speaking country :)
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: Allemano on March 01, 2010, 05:18:17 AM
geographypuzzles.com! Between Austria and Switzerland there's clearly only one country named Liechtenstein.
Probably you mean Germany though one can't be sure to 100% ;D
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on March 01, 2010, 05:29:16 AM
Yes, this was built in Germany. And to make it easier, you can name 2 or maybe even 3 German companies which had some relations to this car
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: Allemano on March 01, 2010, 05:33:20 AM
Glas?
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on March 01, 2010, 06:26:20 AM
But Glas wasn't one of them
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: Allemano on March 01, 2010, 06:28:09 AM
Wild guess: BMW?
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on March 01, 2010, 06:49:10 AM
There's no relation a BMW either.
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: Allemano on March 01, 2010, 06:51:50 AM
Yes, this was built in Germany. And to make it easier, you can name 2 or maybe even 3 German companies which had some relations to this car
VW, Opel, Ford? (still avoid to relate MB to this car!)
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on March 01, 2010, 07:13:33 AM
Volkswagen and Ford which I was after.

Clue time: donor was a Volkswagen.
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: Arunas on March 01, 2010, 09:14:27 AM
Belgium?
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on March 01, 2010, 09:22:03 AM
No, this car was built in Germany, by a man who's somehow related to Ford (Clue No2 :)) using a VW as a donor. When I researched the car on-line to see what's available, it turned out that this ex-Ford guy went on to become someone who had a relation to another German car maker. In an interview, which is available on-line he mentions this very car as a catalyst which was so well received that it changed his career.
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: Allemano on March 01, 2010, 12:09:27 PM
Related to Ford as an engineer or rather a business man?
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on March 01, 2010, 01:04:34 PM
he worked for Ford but not as an engineer
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on March 19, 2010, 02:13:10 PM
And the 3rd company is Porsche. This guy was an ex-Ford employee, who built this car on the basis of a Volkswagen. It attracted enough attention which prompted him to set up his company which worked on Porsche cars.  A lot of clues :)
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: jotage21 on March 19, 2010, 11:02:21 PM
Alois Ruf?
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on March 20, 2010, 01:46:14 AM
No
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: ImpishGrin on March 20, 2010, 09:08:22 AM
Vittorio Strosek?
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on March 20, 2010, 09:10:26 AM
Not him
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: ImpishGrin on March 20, 2010, 09:33:19 AM
I can think of three important german Porsche companies: Ruf, Strosek and Gemballa. And Uwe Gemballa seems to be too young for this car - it looks like it was made in late 60s or very early 70s.

Or maybe he's not a tuner but for example prepares Porsches for competition?
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on March 20, 2010, 09:35:30 AM
You're right. There's another long-running and famous German company which tunes and races Porsche cars :)
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: ImpishGrin on March 20, 2010, 06:55:46 PM
Maybe one of the Kremer brothers? I am running out of options... :P
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: guido66 on March 20, 2010, 07:11:43 PM
Techart?
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on March 21, 2010, 12:38:34 AM
None of the above
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: Arunas on March 21, 2010, 03:44:42 AM
DP Motorsport?
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on March 21, 2010, 04:02:20 AM
Okay, you found the company. Now, all I need is the name of the guy who built the car and the name of the car :)!

And I am feeling generous, so locked 'til your next reply
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: Arunas on March 21, 2010, 04:52:05 AM
Okay, you found the company. Now, all I need is the name of the guy who built the car and the name of the car :)!

And I am feeling generous, so locked 'til your next reply

What a lucky guess! The problem is that I don't have so much time for searching. Maybe within next 48 hours.
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on March 21, 2010, 04:56:25 AM
Okay, you get it for 36 hours :)
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: Arunas on March 21, 2010, 05:01:36 AM
Update: Is it Ekkehard Zimmermann's Study II?
Title: Re: PN #44
Post by: pnegyesi on March 21, 2010, 05:32:45 AM
You see, it wasn't that difficult. Congratulations, you earned a well deserved point!

Back in 1971 Ekkehard Zimmermann created this "Studie 2" prototype with a 2000 cc VW engine and plastic body. A small-series run was planned, priced between DM18000 and DM 20000 but it did not happen.
However in a later interview he said that he received so many compliments that he set up DP - Design and Plastic.
Title: Re: Solved: PN #44 -- Ekkehard Zimmermann Studie 2, 1971
Post by: Paul Jaray on March 21, 2010, 05:48:32 AM
another view:
Title: Re: Solved: PN #44 -- Ekkehard Zimmermann Studie 2, 1971
Post by: Allemano on March 21, 2010, 05:56:36 AM
another view:


It seems it has remarkable resemblance to this one:
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=5749.0
Title: Re: Solved: PN #44 -- Ekkehard Zimmermann Studie 2, 1971
Post by: ImpishGrin on March 21, 2010, 07:00:22 AM
I was always under the mpression that dp Motorsport simply makes bodykits for Porsches and has nothing to do with "real" tuning, let alone racing competition. Then again, German cars have never been my strong point ;)
Title: Re: Solved: PN #44 -- Ekkehard Zimmermann Studie 2, 1971
Post by: Wendax on February 18, 2014, 02:52:53 PM
A better version of the puzzle picture:
Title: Re: Solved: PN #44 -- Ekkehard Zimmermann Studie 2, 1971
Post by: kitaharo on April 13, 2021, 04:48:55 AM
is this same to "Autobianchi A112 Otas"?
Title: Re: Solved: PN #44 -- Ekkehard Zimmermann Studie 2, 1971
Post by: Carnut on April 13, 2021, 05:18:01 AM
is this same to "Autobianchi A112 Otas"?

It looks similar but it's not the same car:

https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2010-38/solved-neh-404-otas-kl112-by-aldo-sessano-(1970)/msg95280/#msg95280
Title: Re: Solved: PN #44 -- Ekkehard Zimmermann Studie 2, 1971
Post by: kitaharo on April 13, 2021, 10:10:11 PM
l see.thanks!