Author Topic: Solved: PN #105 -- 1949 550cc Prazak Fiat Topolino  (Read 3216 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15160
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 465
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: grob 2012_06_07 (02)
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2012, 04:53:57 PM »
Up one step!

Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15160
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 465
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: grob 2012_06_07 (02)
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2012, 03:15:52 PM »
No ideas?

Offline M630

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 119
  • Country: fr
  • Puzzle Points 58
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: grob 2012_06_07 (02)
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2012, 08:22:25 AM »
German ? Vw Based ? Helmut Hauber  ?

Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15160
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 465
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: grob 2012_06_07 (02)
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2012, 08:44:37 AM »
No, no and no... :'(

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40962
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: grob 2012_06_07 (02)
« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2012, 09:00:56 AM »
German ? Vw Based ? Helmut Hauber  ?

Don't forget - only one question allowed at a time...
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15160
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 465
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: grob 2012_06_07 (02)
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2012, 09:57:08 AM »
Well, Itīs been three different topics, so I think the questions were O.K.

If heīd asked for instance:

"Salmson, Pipe or Lambert?" I wouldnīt have accepted it.

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40962
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: grob 2012_06_07 (02)
« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2012, 11:25:54 AM »
Well, Itīs been three different topics, so I think the questions were O.K.

If heīd asked for instance:

"Salmson, Pipe or Lambert?" I wouldnīt have accepted it.

It's your puzzle!
One answer should lead to another question though..
e.g. "German?"  "Yes" "VW then?" etc.
Or "German?" "No" "French then?" etc.
Though I do appreciate that on this occasion the fact the car is not German negated the other two questions anyway..
« Last Edit: June 22, 2012, 11:38:40 AM by Carnut »
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15160
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 465
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: grob 2012_06_07 (02)
« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2012, 12:46:10 PM »
To be honest, Iīm a bit impatient and always want my puzzles to be solved, really. ;)

Offline D-type

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 8277
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 251
  • A retired civil engineer interested in cars
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: grob 2012_06_07 (02)
« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2012, 11:39:34 AM »
Fiat 'Topolino' based Siata
Duncan Rollo

The more you learn, the more you realise how little you know.

Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15160
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 465
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: grob 2012_06_07 (02)
« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2012, 02:42:52 PM »
The basis car was a Fiat!

I do not know if it was Topolino, but Iīm sure it did not use the engine of a Topolino.

And it is not a Siata.

This was not enough correct  information to lock it for you, sorry.

Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15160
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 465
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: grob 2012_06_07 (02)
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2012, 02:36:49 AM »
To make it easier, Iīll show you a full front view:
« Last Edit: August 18, 2014, 05:15:10 PM by grobmotorix »

Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15160
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 465
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: grob 2012_06_07 (02)
« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2012, 06:55:37 AM »
Too hard for the experts...

Offline barrett

  • Feature Writer
  • *
  • Posts: 4211
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 381
  • Don't delete me
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: grob 2012_06_07 (02)
« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2012, 07:37:37 AM »
From one of the 'known' etceterini marques?

Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15160
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 465
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: grob 2012_06_07 (02)
« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2012, 07:44:00 AM »
The driver/constructor and the racing equipe are not italian.

I think the body isnīt from Italy, too.

RayTheRat

  • Guest
Re: grob 2012_06_07 (02)
« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2012, 09:59:02 AM »
Same question I asked a coupla minutes ago: another Austrian one-off special?

Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15160
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 465
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: grob 2012_06_07 (02)
« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2012, 10:37:15 AM »
Yes, but I think, only the chassis is italian, the body has been built in Austria.

Offline faksta

  • Feature Writer
  • *
  • Posts: 4613
  • Country: ru
  • Puzzle Points 409
  • Russian Racer
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: grob 2012_06_07 (02)
« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2012, 11:34:44 AM »
Prasak-Muller Topolino Spezial  :P

I thought we've had it already before, but search shows nothing...

Offline Allemano

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 18482
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 821
  • almost retired
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: grob 2012_06_07 (02)
« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2012, 11:42:40 AM »
Must be a fantastic book where all these cars can be found.

Offline faksta

  • Feature Writer
  • *
  • Posts: 4613
  • Country: ru
  • Puzzle Points 409
  • Russian Racer
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: grob 2012_06_07 (02)
« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2012, 11:44:28 AM »
It is not bad indeed, but it is not complete :)

Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15160
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 465
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: grob 2012_06_07 (02)
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2012, 12:54:32 PM »
Yes, itīs the 550ccm Prazak-Topolino race car!

Offline faksta

  • Feature Writer
  • *
  • Posts: 4613
  • Country: ru
  • Puzzle Points 409
  • Russian Racer
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Prazak-Fiat-Topolino, 550ccm race car
« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2012, 12:57:15 PM »
So, Prazak indeed. The book listed it as Prasak, but starting lists also say Prazak.

RayTheRat

  • Guest
Re: Prazak-Fiat-Topolino, 550ccm race car
« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2012, 01:48:48 PM »
I couldn't find a date for this car...matter of face, I couldn't find anything at all about it.  Do you have an approximate date of manufacture or racing?


Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15160
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 465
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: Prazak-Fiat-Topolino, 550ccm race car
« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2012, 02:05:21 PM »
Iīve found photo references from 1950-1954.

Offline faksta

  • Feature Writer
  • *
  • Posts: 4613
  • Country: ru
  • Puzzle Points 409
  • Russian Racer
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Prazak-Fiat-Topolino, 550ccm race car
« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2012, 02:46:58 PM »
There was a newspaper note in a book I have said to be dated October 1949, so I think it could have been first raced in 1950.

Also, my bad, previously I've known it as Pracak-Suller, not Prasak-Mueller :P

And here it is, I knew I've seen it here before: http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=13294.0

Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15160
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 465
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: Solved: PN #105 -- Parack-Suller Topolino Special, 1949
« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2012, 02:51:26 PM »
This is the 550ccm PRAZAK-Fiat-Topolino.

I did not find it, because of the different name, of course.

So Iīve made it new puzzle recently:

http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=20791

« Last Edit: July 14, 2012, 12:17:23 AM by grobmotorix »