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Solved - NTM #45: 1894 Pennington Victoria
« on: April 03, 2010, 10:22:26 AM »
What is this contraption? Make & model, please.
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Re: NTM #45
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2010, 10:10:04 AM »
Going to go ahead and give this to the Experts.
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Re: NTM #45
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2010, 09:21:52 AM »
The closest I have come up with so far is identified as an 1894 Balzer.
The pic:
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Re: NTM #45
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2010, 06:30:07 PM »
Nope, but right country and year.
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Re: NTM #45
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2010, 07:04:02 PM »
Could this be a conceptual drawing of an 1894 Pope Electro-Bat?
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Re: NTM #45
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2010, 07:33:51 AM »
Nope, this was a real car.
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Re: NTM #45
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2010, 09:39:59 AM »
There just weren't that many cars in 1894. Is it a Pope Electro-Bat?
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Re: NTM #45
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2010, 09:47:50 AM »
Nope.
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Re: NTM #45
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2010, 09:32:47 PM »
Am I viewing this picture correctly? Is this car a three-wheeler?
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Re: NTM #45
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2010, 09:34:53 PM »
No, it has four.
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Re: NTM #45
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2010, 09:59:36 AM »
1894 American car companies I have found:  Balzer, Duryea, Haynes, Golden Gate, Loomis, Pennington, Sweany, Roper, Morrison, Immisch.
I have become completely exasperated and am officially giving up. Maybe this list will help someone else, if not pointing to what it is but to what it is not.
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Re: NTM #45
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2010, 10:11:07 AM »
The correct make is on your list.
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Re: NTM #45
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2010, 10:37:53 AM »
Balzer, Duryea, Haynes, Golden Gate, Loomis, Pennington, Sweany, Roper, Morrison, Immisch, (and I didn't mention) Black, Hartley and Pope.
As adverse as I am to guessing(not to mention that I have no luck with such behaviour), at this point I am throwing caution to the wind and guessing that your drawing is that if a Sweany Steam Carriage.
I will guess something else later.
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Re: NTM #45
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2010, 10:39:50 AM »
Nope.

You're probably used to seeing a very different model of the make in question.
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Re: NTM #45
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2010, 06:24:57 PM »

Hah! I would have lost that one if there had been only two makes in question.
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Re: NTM #45
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2010, 07:45:20 AM »
Normally I might move to the Pros by this time but this is so close to being solved that I think the Experts can finish it off.

One note I think I should make: Based on what's written about this car (assuming my source identifies it correctly), I suspect that the artist made the tires look thicker than he should have.
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Re: NTM #45
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2010, 08:47:14 AM »
Okay. I will be the fool again. I still can't find the actual car but I am mostly going by leads that I can find.
1894 Pennington?
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Re: NTM #45
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2010, 08:57:49 AM »
That's the correct make, and having gotten that far you should have no trouble finding the model.

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Re: NTM #45
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2010, 10:07:26 AM »
Apparently, this E.J. Pennington was quite a character. Naturally, he was born in Indiana (I should have guessed him a Hoosier right off the bat).

Anyway, there is one actual Pennington car that exists. It is in the British Beaulieu museum and is from 1896 and simply called the Autocar.
At the time he was trying to shill his idea for a motorcycle (a term that many credit as his invention), he was also pushing a four-wheeled vehicle named the "Victoria".
I suspect that is what you are looking for.

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Re: NTM #45
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2010, 10:10:34 AM »
I would like to add that, in 1898, he had an unsprung four wheeler simply referred to at "The Raft"
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Re: NTM #45
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2010, 10:19:49 AM »
Pennington Victoria it is! This contraption was made of two ladies' bicycles held together by a platform which housed the operating parts. It's because of the "bicycle" part that I think the drawing's tires are too thick.
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