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Solved - NEH 616: BMW 328 KSP Racing Special - 1938/51
« on: July 27, 2010, 11:34:43 AM »
A point if you can identify what this car is and you can give me its full name:
« Last Edit: July 27, 2010, 11:36:57 AM by Carnut »
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Re: NEH 616
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2010, 08:17:34 AM »
Experts?
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Re: NEH 616
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2010, 11:57:45 AM »
Looks like Ferrari 212 export ch.0086 E. That race at Targa Florio with Scuderia Marzotto, Guido Mancini - Giliberto Cornacchia , categoria sport-classe oltre 1100 cc 1951
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Re: NEH 616
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2010, 12:18:43 PM »
Quote from: Oguerrerob on August 12, 2010, 11:57:45 AM
Looks like Ferrari 212 export ch.0086 E. That race at Targa Florio with Scuderia Marzotto, Guido Mancini - Giliberto Cornacchia , categoria sport-classe oltre 1100 cc 1951

Not a Ferrari, sorry.
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Re: NEH 616
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2010, 12:23:34 PM »
Nardi?
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Re: NEH 616
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2010, 02:21:33 PM »
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Re: NEH 616
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2010, 07:33:10 AM »
Pro's?
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Re: NEH 616
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2010, 07:47:48 AM »
It kinda looks like a German BMW 328 based special.

Somehow reminds me of Wilhelm von Mueller's car from c.1946, although I've seen only a poor picture of it.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2010, 07:51:59 AM by faksta »
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Re: NEH 616
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2010, 08:14:47 AM »
I believe it's a Lancia-based Sport...
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Re: NEH 616
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2010, 08:27:36 AM »
or a Fiat Trinacria 1100
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Re: NEH 616
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2010, 08:33:13 AM »
The wheels are 328's as far as I can judge and the overall shape looks German to me  :huh:
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Re: NEH 616
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2010, 08:52:42 AM »
faksta is right on this one, it is BMW 328-based.
But it's nothing to do with any Mueller!
Will lock it for faksta since he's half way there and now has 48 hours to come up with what it is exactly.
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Re: NEH 616
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2010, 08:59:45 AM »
The way you lock is very generously methinks, but what the heck – it's your puzzle!
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Re: NEH 616
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2010, 09:05:33 AM »
Quote from: Allemano on September 07, 2010, 08:59:45 AM
The way you lock is very generously methinks, but what the heck – it's your puzzle!

I only try to be fair and don't want to be accused of fiddling anyone out of a deserved point!

I get nothing extra whatever I do so it's not for my benefit - just the fun of the game.
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Re: NEH 616
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2010, 09:09:24 AM »
Quote from: Carnut on September 07, 2010, 09:05:33 AM
I do so it's not for my benefit - just the fun of the game.

Same with me! ;)
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Re: NEH 616
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2010, 11:00:27 AM »
It also looks like Willi Krakau's car, although not in every detail, and the front is different.

P.S. Thanks for a 48-hour lock, but if anyone has the right answer, I won't be against posting it  ;)
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Re: NEH 616
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2010, 11:18:00 AM »

At your service! Will wait till Carnut gives go-ahead, though.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2010, 11:20:14 AM by Allemano »
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Re: NEH 616
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2010, 11:48:42 AM »
Quote from: faksta on September 07, 2010, 11:00:27 AM
It also looks like Willi Krakau's car, although not in every detail, and the front is different.

P.S. Thanks for a 48-hour lock, but if anyone has the right answer, I won't be against posting it  ;)

As you wish.
Off you go then Allemano!
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Re: NEH 616
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2010, 11:49:24 AM »
Czech BMW 328 KSP (Kohout Stanislav Praha) from 1938, resp. 1951.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2010, 11:53:17 AM by Allemano »
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Re: NEH 616
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2010, 11:53:31 AM »
It“s the same car?

"Wilhelm von Müller in his Eigenbau-BMW at the Ruhestein hillclimb in 1946"
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Re: NEH 616
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2010, 11:54:01 AM »
So, I have indeed browsed the wrong country  :shiner:

Joao, I don't know - this car was my first guess, but I know nothing about von Mueller's car, although I must have something about KSP, maybe there is some word about it.
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Re: NEH 616
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2010, 11:56:30 AM »
Quote from: Allemano on September 07, 2010, 11:49:24 AM
Czech BMW 328 KSP (Kohout Stanislav Praha) from 1938, resp. 1951.

Very good!
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Re: NEH 616
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2010, 11:57:41 AM »
Quote from: Joćo on September 07, 2010, 11:53:31 AM
It“s the same car?

"Wilhelm von Müller in his Eigenbau-BMW at the Ruhestein hillclimb in 1946"

No, I don't think it's the same car.  If you look closely the headlights are in a different place.
I understood the puzzle car didn't receive this body until 1951...
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Re: Solved - NEH 616: BMW 328 KSP Racing Special - 1938/51
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2010, 12:01:02 PM »
Ok ! Thank you  :thumbsup:
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Re: Solved - NEH 616: BMW 328 KSP Racing Special - 1938/51
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2010, 12:01:04 PM »
The note I have about KSP also doesn't tell anything about von Mueller. Probably they're just very similar, and nothing more.

Here's a period picture of Kohout's car. Damn, I even remembered it was white (or at least looks so)!  ^-^
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