Topic: #A019 by Amsterdam SOLVED: 1912 Austro-Daimler 22/80 PS Prinz Heinrich tourer

[Amsterdam]

In name only this is a repost. but its from a another year and so not the same car
Tell me what this is and I will give you a point.

[Amsterdam]

No reply from the rookies.

Experts?

[ftg3plus4]

1912 Austro-Daimler Prince Henry (Prinz Heinrich) tourer.

[Amsterdam]

Yes it is, but not from 1912 according to my source. Can you prove my source is wrong
Point is yours anyway.

[ftg3plus4]

No, I don't think I can. My source is probably wrong.

[Otto Puzzell]

http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=5796.msg39157#msg39157 

[Tom_I]

Georgano's 1968 Encyclopaedia has a picture of what appears to be the same car, with the caption "1912 Austro-Daimler Prince Henry Tourer", the photo attributed to Steyr-Daimler-Puch AG. With that big-bore exhaust and no windscreen (and in this photo no headlights), it looks more like a competition car than a tourer in the normal sense. However, this is clearly not one of the 1910 Prince Henry Trial cars, as there are numerous photos of them around. I have another photo of the rear of this car, but it gives no date.

The same picture also appears, along with the second shown below, in Chapter 6 of Karl Ludvigsen's biography "Ferdinand Porsche - Genesis of Genius", with the caption :

Prince Elias of Parma, here a passenger, ordered this magnificent coachwork from Jacob Lohner for his series-built shaft-drive 22/86 Austro-Daimler. With its cycle fenders, tapered tail and huge exhaust pipes it was one of the most stunning sporting cars of its era.

Frustratingly, again no date is given. However, if it is shaft, rather than chain, driven, it is not one of the earliest production chassis, and maybe the 1912 date is plausible.

Not really much help, I'm afraid.

[Amsterdam]

According to my source it is Austro-Daimler Prinz Heinrich tourer from 1909, so one year earlier than the one who was already posted

I will move it to solved, and if someone has proof I had a bad source I will change it

[D-type]

William Boddy's Sports Car Pocketbook has the same photo and he simply calls it the "Maja" which is no use is it?

[Allan L]

I agree with some of the above, but not all of it.
The 1910 car that was supposed to win the Prinz Heinrich trial of that year was, as said, chain drive and the production cars such as this were shaft drive. According to Michael Sedgwick's research (Montagu's "Lost Causes of Motoring") Prince Ely (Elias) of Parma took delivery of his car (which this one could well be) in 1914.
I wonder where the 1909 date comes from. The chain-drive A-D 40-45 that ran in the 1909 PH trial was much bigger than the 1910 car which was also known as the 22/80PS.
The production version of the 1910 22/80 Prinz Heinrich Fahrt car seems unlikely to have pre-dated that car's competition debut, and ftg3plus4's 1912 is as likely as any.

Oh, and the Maja (named after Mercedes Jellinek's sister!) was rather earlier and my copy (1961) of  WB's Sports Car Pocketbook's photo on p42 (as the original in this thread, but clearer) is titled "Prince Henry"

[Amsterdam]

Yes you are right
I found out that my first source was wrong about the 1909.
It is as ftg3plus4 first said from 1912. It is indeed mentioned as a 1912 A.D.22/80 PS "Prinz Heinrich (prince Henry) tourer

I will change it.