« previous next »
Pages: [1]   Go Down

Author Topic: Solved - NEH 355: Bertone Mazda proposal - 1968 - adapted to Alfa proposal  (Read 1526 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40947
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
    • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Solved - NEH 355: Bertone Mazda proposal - 1968 - adapted to Alfa proposal
« on: February 11, 2010, 09:34:10 AM »
For 1 point identify what this is:
« Last Edit: September 11, 2019, 01:28:59 PM by Carnut »
Logged
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline mymokke

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 685
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 118
  • Every day starts good! behind the wheel of a MOPAR
    • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 355
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2010, 12:20:08 AM »
Looks Mazda-ish to me ....... Japanese?
Logged

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40947
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
    • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 355
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2010, 04:55:17 AM »
Quote from: mymokke on February 12, 2010, 12:20:08 AM
Looks Mazda-ish to me ....... Japanese?

Not Japanese, no.
Logged
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline Allemano

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 18482
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 821
  • almost retired
    • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 355
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2010, 05:03:18 AM »
:scratch:
Logged

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40947
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
    • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 355
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2010, 05:11:18 AM »
Logged
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline Allemano

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 18482
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 821
  • almost retired
    • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 355
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2010, 05:24:52 AM »
No, I just was wondering, but actually I should comment when it comes to the Pros! So, never mind...
Logged

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40947
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
    • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 355
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2010, 07:28:57 AM »
Quote from: Allemano on February 12, 2010, 05:24:52 AM
No, I just was wondering, but actually I should comment when it comes to the Pros! So, never mind...

So you think this one will reach the Pro's?  Not many of mine do!
Logged
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline Allemano

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 18482
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 821
  • almost retired
    • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 355
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2010, 07:51:19 AM »
We will see.
Maybe someone else has the same idea as me... 
Logged

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40947
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
    • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 355
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2010, 07:59:29 AM »
Well it's started its move up...
Logged
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline cmetisse

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 378
  • Country: fr
  • Puzzle Points 140
  • Donatello au milieu des fauves!
    • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 355
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2010, 08:29:00 AM »
It was a Bertone project, designed for Mazda (Toyo Kogyo) in 1967, inspired by the "Executive" Fiat 125 showcar.
Logged

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40947
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
    • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 355
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2010, 09:18:47 AM »
Quote from: Carnut on February 12, 2010, 04:55:17 AM
Quote from: mymokke on February 12, 2010, 12:20:08 AM
Looks Mazda-ish to me ....... Japanese?

Not Japanese, no.

As said, it's not Japanese.
It IS Bertone, though.
Logged
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline Octavia

  • *
  • Posts: 270
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 34
  • Doc Ock
    • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 355
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2010, 09:42:59 AM »
4 door version of the 1970 BMW 2200 TI GARMISCH
Logged

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40947
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
    • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 355
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2010, 12:49:12 PM »
Quote from: Octavia on February 27, 2010, 09:42:59 AM
4 door version of the 1970 BMW 2200 TI GARMISCH

No!
Logged
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline guido66

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 4233
  • Country: nl
  • Puzzle Points 289
  • Nice Chains
    • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 355
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2010, 06:22:13 PM »
Bertone model that was first rejected by Fiat and then revised and rejected by Mazda. I think this is the 2nd version, and I think that it's built with Fiat parts.
Logged

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40947
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
    • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 355
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2010, 07:36:16 PM »
Quote from: guido66 on February 27, 2010, 06:22:13 PM
Bertone model that was first rejected by Fiat and then revised and rejected by Mazda. I think this is the 2nd version, and I think that it's built with Fiat parts.

That's not at all what I have it as.
Logged
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline geology

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 231
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 213
  • Look but don't touch.
    • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 355
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2010, 08:01:59 AM »
Could it be a Bertone designed replacement for the Alfa Giulia (Berlina) which was rejected and later taken up by Mazda?
Logged

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40947
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
    • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 355
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2010, 02:29:17 PM »
Quote from: geology on February 28, 2010, 08:01:59 AM
Could it be a Bertone designed replacement for the Alfa Giulia (Berlina) which was rejected and later taken up by Mazda?

Yes, well done.  That's exactly what it is.
Here are some other pics to back up the fact that it was originally an Alfa; don't think they're of the same car but are of variations of the theme, all done at the same time.
Logged
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline 75america

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 1874
  • Country: be
  • Puzzle Points 293
  • Gran Torino
    • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Solved - NEH 355: Bertone Alfa Giulia Saloon replacement proposal - 1968
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2010, 03:06:57 PM »
Cmetisse is right on this one, this is the 1967 Bertone Toyo Kogyo.  It has nothing to do with Alfa Romeo.

However, the 3 pics present in post # 16 are indeed Bertone proposals for an Alfa Romeo.
The upper 2 pics started as a project on Fiat 125 running gear.
The 3rd pic is a Bertone (rejected) proposal for the upcoming Alfetta.
Logged

Offline cmetisse

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 378
  • Country: fr
  • Puzzle Points 140
  • Donatello au milieu des fauves!
    • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Solved - NEH 355: Bertone Alfa Giulia Saloon replacement proposal - 1968
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2010, 03:37:10 PM »
This was indeed what I found in my books about Bertone...
Logged

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40947
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
    • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 355
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2010, 06:54:35 PM »
Quote from: cmetisse on February 19, 2010, 08:29:00 AM
It was a Bertone project, designed for Mazda (Toyo Kogyo) in 1967, inspired by the "Executive" Fiat 125 showcar.

Further investigation finds that you are correct after all so I've given you your point!
I had 4 pics to choose from thinking they were all Alfas and used the one I thought gave fewest clues - only it turned out to be a Mazda, not an Alfa like the other three...  No wonder it looked so Japanese...

My apologies!
Logged
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline ImpishGrin

  • Feature Writer
  • *
  • Posts: 1394
  • Country: pl
  • Puzzle Points 303
  • Afficionado Anorak
    • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Solved - NEH 355: Bertone Mazda proposal - 1968 - adapted to Alfa proposal
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2010, 12:29:52 PM »
So, what's nthe story with Alfa? I know that it's a Mazda proposal but the topic states that the car was adapted to an Alfa Romeo proposal, yet 75america and cmetisse say otherwise. Which is correct?
Logged
It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept.

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40947
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
    • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Solved - NEH 355: Bertone Mazda proposal - 1968 - adapted to Alfa proposal
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2010, 12:59:20 PM »
After the design was reject by Mazda it was re-worked (but only slightly) and proposed to Alfa, as per the other pictures,
Alfa didn't accept the design either..
Logged
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars
Pages: [1]   Go Up
« previous next »