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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2018 => Topic started by: woodinsight on October 21, 2010, 01:52:06 PM
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Perhaps a bit more difficult?
Make, engine and year for a point.
Apologies for the poor image.
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I inadvertently left the registration number visible in the photograph, therefore making it easy to identify the car.
In order to be awarded a point it will also be necessary to tell me where this sports racer was built.
Moving up to the experts now to have a guess.
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Not that easy.....!
It seems unlikely, but could the be another Buckler-chassied car?
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It's possible but my source only tells me it was built on "a light tubular chassis"
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Moving up to the next level
Don't forget I need to know where it was built for the point
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I think this might be an 1100cc Climax-engined car called a Kinloch, which therefore might have been made in Kinloch, Perthshire about 1955.
Or one of the many Kinlochsomethings elsewhere in Scotland.
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That's the car Allan - not from Scotland but from very close to your home!
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I have tried to find something about this quite smart looking car, but nothing yet... Will be interested to know its story.
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That's the car Allan - not from Scotland but from very close to your home!
Well Middlesex, where the registration number is from, is a bit nearer, but I can't say I remember it.
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Not Middlesex - closer to you than that!
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Allan, I'm awarding the point to you as you obviously guessed the car correctly.
As far as I can tell it was built in Hadley Wood, Herts. in 1956.
It was completed to a high standard with a new 1100cc Climax engine, TC gearbox, Lister front and Lotus De Dion rear with Alfin brakes. Chassis was light tubular and the body was glass fibre painted BRG.
It was also equipped with an Austin-Healey screen and hood for touring. (see photo below)
"Marriage forces immediate sale" was the reason given for selling the car just after it had been finished.
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It's easy enough to identify this car from its registration number, but any further information seems very elusive.
According to the DVLA website, the car was first registered on 16 July 1955.
It also appears that the car is still licensed and on the road. I wonder where it's lurking - I certainly haven't been able to find any recent photos of it online.
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Hadley Wood is part of a London borough these days! Bit of to and fro with the Hertfordshire/London/Middlesex boundaries over the years confuses the easily confused.
As Tom says, the date of registration is 1955.
Interesting that it could use Lister front and Lotus rear at that time, as these parts would have had to be bought new, I'd say.
PS thanks for the point, but I don't really need it! I already have enough to keep me from answering most of what I know here. >:(
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Yes, I know what you mean Allan!
I'm surprised that the car may still be licensed and on the road.
I haven't heard anything about it since the advert appeared in Autosport all those years ago.
I'll ask some of my racing colleagues in the UK if they know anything.
and thanks Tom for pointing out how easy it is to trace a UK registration number.
Perhaps it's just as well I forgot to delete it in the first place!
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What was this car called, and what is the base vehicle?
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Almost looks like a Microplast Stiletto on an Austin Seven, but it looks like 4, not 3 lugnuts.
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Almost looks like a Microplast Stiletto on an Austin Seven, but it looks like 4, not 3 lugnuts.
You're not the first person to think along those lines, but that's not what it is.
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Experts?
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Those wheels look Elva, which surely means there is no connection!
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Those wheels look Elva, which surely means there is no connection!
You're right - no Elva connection.
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Is it British?
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Is it British?
Yes.
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Lets try for the engine - Ford?
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Lets try for the engine - Ford?
TBH it's possible a Ford engine was fitted at one point in its history, but it didn't start out with one, and it hasn't got one fitted today.
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MG?
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MG?
No connection.
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Climax?
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Climax?
Yes! It is Climax FWA powered.
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So is it on a known chassis like Fairthorpe or Turner?
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So is it on a known chassis like Fairthorpe or Turner?
Not mass-produced like the above two, but a well-known maker.
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Buckler?
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Is the maker better known for competition cars?
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Is the maker better known for competition cars?
Not a Buckler, and indeed the maker was better-known for competition cars.
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It's not a Halselec is it?
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It's not a Halselec is it?
Not that car, I'm afraid. Even less well-known.
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There was a Terrier or DRW that was front engined and full width - but I guess you can sense I am clutching at straws.
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There was a Terrier or DRW that was front engined and full width - but I guess you can sense I am clutching at straws.
Neither of those. This car was effectively a modified version of a British small-capacity racing-sports car which was made in small numbers and available for purchase by the public.
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Rejo?
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Rejo?
No.
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Beart-Roger?
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Kieft?
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Kieft?
That's the one. However, this was called something different. A Kieft was used as the base for a one-off racer - what was it called?
LOCKED for tobytwirl.
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Not the Phoenix?
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Not the Phoenix?
No. This car has quite an interesting history. It's essentially a Kieft-Climax but the owner carried out modifcations and entered the car in races under a different name.
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I have Peter Tuthill's 2 books on Kieft. Unfortunately he indicated that late sportscar history would be included in his 3rd book. To the best of my knowledge it never emerged ........ and I can find no reference to this car anywhere on the net. Is it there somewhere?
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I have Peter Tuthill's 2 books on Kieft. Unfortunately he indicated that late sportscar history would be included in his 3rd book. To the best of my knowledge it never emerged ........ and I can find no reference to this car anywhere on the net. Is it there somewhere?
You know me well. It's rare that I find a puzzle that's not available on the worldwide web.
This car was the subject of a short thread on a well-known motor sports site - after a bit of discussion the puzzle image appeared on the thread showing the car as it is today. I believe (without checking) that the image was posted by the present owner.
The builder had close connections with the Kieft workshop.
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Please unlock - I have read so many websites, but it remains elusive.
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Please unlock - I have read so many websites, but it remains elusive.
No problem. Unlocked.
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Is this it - for sale in Germany ...... as a Kieft.
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nd was Berwyn Baxter anything to do with it?
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Is this it - for sale in Germany ...... as a Kieft.
That's the car. Well found. It was essentially a Kieft, as we have already established, but the builder altered some aspects and called the car something different, and it was entered and raced under that name.
LOCKED for you. Can you find out the name given to it in period?
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was Berwyn Baxter anything to do with it?
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was Berwyn Baxter anything to do with it?
Sorry, I forgot to answer that question. Not him, as far as I know. The only name I have is the person who raced the car, and I suspect he was also the builder although I don't know for sure.
Here's a photo of the car in period. It's the car nearest the camera on the penultimate row, the entry also contains the unique Killeen. I got both images of this car from a fairly well-known website aimed at older enthusiasts.
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So is it the Kinloch Special driven by Jim Russell?
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So is it the Kinloch Special driven by Jim Russell?
TA - DA!!!!
I was unaware that Jim Russell was on board, but that's the car. The name I have is one Bob Evans, certainly the driver on occasion and possibly the owner/builder. The car was built by an employee at Kieft who purchased basic elements of a Kieft sports-racer such as the chassis, body and much of the running gear, but fitted his own de Dion rear end with inboard drum brakes and called the car a Kinloch for whatever reason. The car presently sports wire wheels but I think it had Kieft elektron wheels in period. The photo is from 1956.
Oddly enough, the car was once entered in a race for 1172cc Ford-engined cars. It seems unlikely to me that somebody would go to the bother of changing engines for one club race , so perhaps there were 2 of these at one time.
Very well solved.
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Thank you, that one nearly defeated me, so the little hints much appreciated. So which website did you find the story on? Whatever it was I could not find it.
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PM sent.
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I know it was awhile ago but I thought you guys might still be interested... This car was a one-off built by my dad Richard Evans. I refound it a few months back from another forum and it is now in the hands of a collector in Belgium, with whom we are now in contact. We hope to reunite them at the Goodwood Revival this year.
My dad is now 91 and is extremely happy to have found his car again after so many years. He doesn't remember all the details but we do have a lot of the original receipts and documentation which I have scanned in.
He called it a Kinloch because that was the name of his Syndicate at Lloyd's of London where he worked.
We think the Bob Evans was a typo at the time. He's never been called Bob!
He had another car (NNK 14) which was a Ford Special with that 1172 engine in. I asked my dad about that and he can't remember but thinks he perhaps put that engine in first. (His memory is going a bit
He learned about cars while tinkering in a garage with Colin Chapman as they were friends and lived near each other in Hadley Wood. He bought the chassis from Colin (have receipt) and Kieft through another contact - apparently the last of the mould.
And that race lineup pic is one I haven't seen before!
I have some original pics scanned in which I can post if anyone wants to see! And feel free to ask questions and I can ask my dad when I see him next.
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Also posted in the 2018 thread about this same car....for your interest!
I know it was awhile ago but I thought you guys might still be interested... This car was a one-off built by my dad Richard Evans. I refound it a few months back from another forum and it is now in the hands of a collector in Belgium, with whom we are now in contact. We hope to reunite them at the Goodwood Revival this year.
My dad is now 91 and is extremely happy to have found his car again after so many years. He doesn't remember all the details but we do have a lot of the original receipts and documentation which I have scanned in.
He called it a Kinloch because that was the name of his Syndicate at Lloyd's of London where he worked.
We think the Bob Evans was a typo at the time. He's never been called Bob!
He had another car (NNK 14) which was a Ford Special with that 1172 engine in. I asked my dad about that and he can't remember but thinks he perhaps put that engine in first. (His memory is going a bit
He learned about cars while tinkering in a garage with Colin Chapman as they were friends and lived near each other in Hadley Wood. He bought the chassis from Colin (have receipt) and Kieft through another contact - apparently the last of the mould.
And that race lineup pic is one I haven't seen before!
I have some original pics scanned in which I can post if anyone wants to see! And feel free to ask questions and I can ask my dad when I see him next.
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Many thanks for your post Nicola.
I'm hoping to be at the Revival this year so will look out for the car.
If you are able to post more pictures here that would be terrific; it's just what we like!
Wish your Dad well from all at AutoPuzzles.
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Carnut just beat me to it. Welcome Nicola, and thanks from me too for your input. Your dad's Ford special was known as the Nordec - it's been another puzzle of mine on this site.
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I have scans of his original pics on a google drive
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMKcS6cf9UbGmsw6CHkhph95r2Z1sECNJLJj9lgGwLwbtF1PLZXA7i9vxw1I1ncig?key=eUhwOEtFNE03Z0dFZkE1SF9uU1RJZ1BRcXlaTG53
and I shall try and upload individually as well
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Description written by my dad a few years ago
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Collage I made him for Christmas 2018
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Thanks.
It's a great looking car.
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Bob Evans driving the car at Silverstone in 1955:
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What, when and where?
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Not even a nibble from the Rookies so up to the Experts we go.
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Kinloch Climax, 1100cc, built by Mr. Evans in 1955. Twin tube chassis with 1100cc engine paired with MG TC gearbox. Bodied with a fibreglass Kieft body shell. Raced at Silversone, Brands Hatch, Thruxton and Goodwood.
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Buckler ?
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Not a Buckler because it's the Kinloch-Climax
Here's an advert from Autosport 11th October 1957 and some notes from the car's builder, Bob Evans
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This has already been a puzzle - twice! I have merged them all, including a very informative post from the builder's daughter.
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Yesterday I solved this puzzle from DAR-66 also, but is my puzzle point awarded?
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Yesterday I solved this puzzle from DAR-66 also, but is my puzzle point awarded?
I have asked Carnut to check this for you. He has access to information like this.
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thanks!