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Solved - MJW #050 - Scientific designed by Ray Brock c.1952
« on: October 07, 2010, 03:29:28 PM »
Allemano's on his 500th and I'm on my 50th, so time to celebrate!

Apologies for the poor image (I have another not very sharp) but can you tell me what this is?
Make, year and engine manufacturer for a point.
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Re: MJW #050
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2010, 04:49:19 AM »
I'm on my 50th, so time to celebrate!
excellent job so far! :applause:

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Re: MJW #050
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2010, 05:07:06 AM »
Thank you and congratulations to you too!

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Re: MJW #050
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2010, 03:40:32 AM »
No response from the rookies so it's up to the experts now

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Re: MJW #050
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2010, 08:30:10 AM »
Looks seriously eastern European to me. A Moskvitch? After this, I hit the books.

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Re: MJW #050
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2010, 04:18:52 PM »
Or British ?

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Re: MJW #050
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2010, 01:20:15 AM »
It is British not Eastern European

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Re: MJW #050
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2010, 05:45:13 AM »
Anything to do with Jowett ?

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Re: MJW #050
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2010, 02:30:45 PM »
It has a Jowett engine but apart from that it doesn't have anything to do with that manufacturer.
Keep going Yves - you're making good progress so far!

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Re: MJW #050
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2010, 02:39:47 AM »
I wonder if the pros can solve this one quickly?

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Re: MJW #050
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2010, 03:58:40 AM »
Just to sum up -
This car is British and was fitted with a Jowett Jupiter engine.
Another clue - it was driven in several club races in the UK.

and another photo of the car in an uncompleted state

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Re: MJW #050
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2010, 10:01:11 AM »
wow, i've been wondering about that one for years...! I would never have guessed it was the same car as your puzzle picture. I look foward to seeing this one solved!

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Re: MJW #050
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2010, 10:45:08 AM »
Well I really hope someone will solve it as you know I hate puzzles ending up in the Black Hole!
I just came across another Jowett Jupiter-engined one-off built sports car this morning.
Perhaps you should have an appendix to your Jupiter feature listing non-Jowetts with Jupiter engines.

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Re: MJW #050
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2010, 05:16:47 PM »
I have one of those too! It might even be the same one, I'll probably post it in my next batch of puzzles. I might have something like that in the article, progress has been very slow of late though..  ::)

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Re: MJW #050
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2010, 12:15:01 PM »
I may have this confused with another car but is this the Roy (Ray?) Brock-designed, Cooper-suspended Scientific? If so it had a Jowett Jupiter engine and a fully enclosed undertray (Brock was an aerodynamicist).

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Re: MJW #050
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2010, 12:40:05 PM »
Brilliant!
That's the car.
It was designed by Ray Brock in the early 1950s and was owned/raced by a Mr M.T. Fryer.
Another point for you.

You certainly know the obscure British cars of that period.
Now about my MJW #004..........any thoughts as it seems to have stalled.

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Re: Solved - MJW #050 - Scientific designed by Ray Brock c.1952
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2010, 01:04:12 PM »
Two more views of the Scientific -

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Re: Solved - MJW #050 - Scientific designed by Ray Brock c.1952
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2010, 02:09:21 PM »
Very cool puzzle ,though I was totally clueless.

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Re: Solved - MJW #050 - Scientific designed by Ray Brock c.1952
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2012, 01:07:29 PM »
Here's another picture of this car in action at Brands Hatch. Not a great capture but worth sharing.

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SAC#1695 : the "Scientific" built by R. Barrington Brock in 1955
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2022, 08:13:25 AM »
Please , what is this car , for 1 point !  :)

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Re: SAC#1695
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2022, 02:14:49 PM »
Experts !

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Re: SAC#1695
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2022, 02:45:07 PM »
Tatra-based ?

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Re: SAC#1695
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2022, 05:45:42 PM »
This is the "Scientific" built by R. Barrington Brock in 1955

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Re: SAC#1695
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2022, 03:35:41 AM »
 :thumbsup:
 the "Scientific" built by R. Barrington Brock in 1955 !
1 point for Rusty Chrome !  :)

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Re: SAC#1695 : the "Scientific" built by R. Barrington Brock in 1955
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2022, 04:44:43 AM »
 :thumbsup: Have had prepared a future puzzle of the same car, with this uncommon rear view of it! Here the unmolested picture