Topic: SOLVED: Djetset #347 - Alfa Romeo Torpedo military vehicle (more info still sought)

[DeAutogids.nl]

Q267

It does not look Nissan Cherry-based...

[Djetset]

It's not from the Arna project that I mentioned some time ago in a previous puzzle, so the mystery remains.  I have decided to award Amsterdam a point though, because he correctly identified the basic facts I was looking for (e.g. marque, era, etc.).

If any one can find the name fo this rare Alfa, an extra point awaits.  To help, here's a photo of it undisguised.

[Amsterdam]

  Thank you, I am curious on the answer on this one.
Still I am sure I have seen it before otherwise I would not have recognized it, but unfortunately I can't remember where

[max_pershin]

It's very simply

Its project of the AR 4x4 with 33 boxer engine. 148 Magnaghina (military with grey-green color) and 149 Magnagona (civil with yellow color) - project curator Ing. Bruno Magnaghi

But its new design for me. I've seen photo 2 versions of with car. This is third version

FIAT stopped development after purchasing Alfa


According the information available the engine is a 1.7 boxer - Elvira Ruocco, alfasport.net



Additional info

Source: Quattroruote 09.1986, page 77


Source: Wheels magazine, November 1985



Source: European Patent Office, application number 87200172.2, applicant Alfa Lancia Industriale S.r.l

[max_pershin]

The little 148 Magnaghino (military) should be based on 33 4x4 parts. The bigger 149 Magnagone (civil) should use Nissan parts.

And I think its the same car

[Djetset]

Wow, nice work Max, as you shown some photos of the Alfa 148 that I've never seen before.  However, I don't believe that this car is not that one, so any ideas what it's called, as I don't have it as the 149.

[Bugace]

Could it be a AR 79?

[Djetset]

AR 79 is not the name I have, but even Alfa Romeo can't seem to decide what to call this one it seems.  Any proof that can be provided on t he name of this Alfa will get a well-deserved point.

[Oguerrerob]

The name that I've found is Alfa Romeo Kamal

[Djetset]

Sorry, the Kamal was a later Alfa Romeo concept.

[Oguerrerob]

Yes, the source that I've found is Wrong! first called Alfa AR90 and then Kamal.
Maybe this new one is wrong too, but.....     Repetti & Monteglio Alfa Panda 4x4?

[Oguerrerob]

I bought a book about Alfa Romeo today, where shows this vehicle.  Appears as Alfa Romeo AR 146, in two versions one civilian and the other, the picture you post. 
The military version called  Torpedo. It was design by Engineer Magnaghi.

[Djetset]

Alfa Romeo Torpedo was that name I had as well, so I will give you the point, although I am still not 100% certain this is correct!  Well done anyway.

BTW, could you please send me a PM on which Alfa book these appear in as this will be incredibly useful or a project I am currently working on.  Thanks.

[Allemano]

would be nice to know the title of the book!

[75america]

This car is also known as the Alfa Romeo AR 146 "Magnagona"

In 1981 the engineer Magnaghi was contracted to design an off-road vehicle to be made in both civilian and military versions.
Two versions of the 146 -with wheelbase of 235 cm and 275 cm - were planned with a load capacity of about 1000 kg.  It had a load-bearing chassis and bolted-on framework, rear-wheel drive, with optional four-wheel drive, five standard plus reduced gears, a fully laden weight of approx. 1750 kg and maximum tilt of 60%.  The axis are rigid and mounted on leaf springs, steering is power-assisted, disk brakes at the front and drum brakes at the rear.  A civilian work version (the puzzle car) was also made, as a modified version of the military "torpedo".  5 versions based on standard vehicles were planned: 2 VM 4 cilinder 2400 cc diesels (normally aspired and turbocharged) and 3 normally aspired versions running on petrol - 2 with 2000 cc a 4-cylinder and a V6) and a 3000 cc V6.  Oto-Melara, also a part of Finmeccanica group (like ALfa Romeo back then) provided the transmissions.

[Carnut]

would be nice to know the title of the book!

He's not going to tell us, is he?!

[Oguerrerob]

If I'm allowed. I'll be pleased!!!!!

[Alfa_Japan]

More information and images can be found in the book "Alfavelate" by author Gippo Salvetti published by Fucina Editore. ISBN 978-88-88269-31-3. 160 page book in Italian and English with very interesting content.