Author Topic: Solved: Allemano's № 519 - 1939 Hanomag Diesel Record Car by Wendler driven by Karl Häberle  (Read 21897 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Allemano

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 18482
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 821
  • almost retired
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Please respond below if you know what this is and what you know about the driver and the coachbuilder.
One point for the right and complete answer!

If you haven't registered yet, you'll need to do so in order to reply and to post your own puzzles
« Last Edit: November 22, 2010, 11:39:25 AM by Allemano »

Offline Allemano

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 18482
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 821
  • almost retired
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Allemano's № 519
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2010, 11:37:44 AM »
up to Experts.

Offline woodinsight

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 13671
  • Country: fr
  • Puzzle Points 557
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Allemano's № 519
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2010, 12:01:10 PM »
German I presume?

Offline barrett

  • Feature Writer
  • *
  • Posts: 4205
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 379
  • Don't delete me
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Allemano's № 519
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2010, 12:40:08 PM »
I think it's the Les Leston Special...

edit: No it's not... sorry!

Offline Allemano

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 18482
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 821
  • almost retired
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Allemano's № 519
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2010, 02:04:56 PM »

Offline D-type

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 8233
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 251
  • A retired civil engineer interested in cars
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Allemano's № 519
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2010, 03:17:40 PM »
Adler?
Duncan Rollo

The more you learn, the more you realise how little you know.

Offline Allemano

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 18482
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 821
  • almost retired
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Allemano's № 519
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2010, 03:18:08 PM »
Not Adler

Offline Maxiu

  • *
  • Posts: 55
  • Country: pl
  • Puzzle Points 37
  • AutoPuzzles
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Allemano's № 519
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2010, 02:02:19 PM »
1938 Hanomag Diesel Rekordwagen

Offline Allemano

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 18482
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 821
  • almost retired
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Allemano's № 519
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2010, 02:04:27 PM »
1938 Hanomag Diesel Rekordwagen
Quite right, but that's not sufficient for a point if you read my first post closely...

Locked for Maxiu till his next reply.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2010, 02:30:12 PM by Allemano »

Offline Allemano

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 18482
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 821
  • almost retired
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Allemano's № 519
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2010, 02:19:37 AM »
So far no reply from Maxiu.
12h left till it's open for all again
« Last Edit: November 26, 2010, 02:23:11 AM by Allemano »

Offline Maxiu

  • *
  • Posts: 55
  • Country: pl
  • Puzzle Points 37
  • AutoPuzzles
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Allemano's № 519
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2010, 07:51:06 AM »
I don't know the answer on other questions so can be open now

Offline Allemano

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 18482
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 821
  • almost retired
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Allemano's № 519
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2010, 07:53:19 AM »
Okay, as it's generous Friday today I gave you a point for identifying the car correctly.

It's open for all Rookies and Experts again!

Offline Maxiu

  • *
  • Posts: 55
  • Country: pl
  • Puzzle Points 37
  • AutoPuzzles
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Allemano's № 519
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2010, 08:01:26 AM »
Okay, as it's generous Friday today I gave you a point for identifying the car correctly.

It's open for all Rookies and Experts again!

Thanks  :)

Offline Aaron65

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 1079
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 209
  • Midland St.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Allemano's № 519
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2010, 08:18:09 AM »
Is the driver Karl Haeberle?

Offline Amsterdam

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 1642
  • Country: nl
  • Puzzle Points 179
  • xxxAMSTERDAMxxx
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • www.xanaduambulldogs.nl
Re: Allemano's № 519
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2010, 08:21:44 AM »
builder Koenig-Fachsenfeld? driver Häberle

Is the driver Karl Haeberle?

To late :-\
« Last Edit: November 26, 2010, 08:24:40 AM by Amsterdam »

Offline barrett

  • Feature Writer
  • *
  • Posts: 4205
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 379
  • Don't delete me
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Allemano's № 519
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2010, 08:44:09 AM »
The body was designed by Freiherr von Koenig-Fachsenfeld and built by Wendler

Offline woodinsight

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 13671
  • Country: fr
  • Puzzle Points 557
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Allemano's № 519
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2010, 09:21:23 AM »
Just to add a bit more information -
The car established four international records on the new autobahn near Dessau in February 1939.
It reached a speed of 165kph and these records were unbeaten until the 1960s.

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40957
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Allemano's № 519
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2010, 10:24:01 AM »
Just to add a bit more information -
The car established four international records on the new autobahn near Dessau in February 1939.
It reached a speed of 165kph and these records were unbeaten until the 1960s.

That doesn't seem very fast.  No cars in the 1950's exceeded 165 kph? Are you sure about that?
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline barrett

  • Feature Writer
  • *
  • Posts: 4205
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 379
  • Don't delete me
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Allemano's № 519
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2010, 10:28:11 AM »
Just to add a bit more information -
The car established four international records on the new autobahn near Dessau in February 1939.
It reached a speed of 165kph and these records were unbeaten until the 1960s.

That doesn't seem very fast.  No cars in the 1950's exceeded 165 kph? Are you sure about that?

I think it was for diesel engined cars....  ;)

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40957
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Allemano's № 519
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2010, 02:14:47 PM »
OK, my apologies.  I missed the diesel bit.
That would sound much more likely then!
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline Allemano

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 18482
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 821
  • almost retired
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Allemano's № 519
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2010, 07:24:34 AM »
What I'm going to do now? Maxiu identified the right car, barrett the right designer/coachbuilder and Aaron65 the right driver.
GENEROUS SATURDAY! One point for each of them!
« Last Edit: November 27, 2010, 09:09:30 AM by Allemano »

Offline Allan L

  • Feature Writer
  • *
  • Posts: 4823
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 414
  • Forum Host in Vintage!
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
A record set in 1939 at 165 k.p.h. must have been not only for a diesel but for a 2 litre class, possibly a German local record and for short distances as the Dessauer Rekordstrecke was not a long-distance course. My guess is the four records would be 1 km and 1 mile from standing and flying start.
George Eyston in his AEC engined diesel car had done 105.61 m.p.h. (169.963 k.p.h.) for a standing start 100 km. at Montlhery in 1937

Edited to say - they were said to have been international records, not German
Opinionated but sometimes wrong

Online grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15120
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 459
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
There´s a new book on the market, that has been reveiled at this year´s Techno Classica fair.

It features the 75year old history of the Dessau speed record week races in the thirties in general,
with a special emphasis on the Hanomag Diesel record car and its new reproduction.

The book also shows some interesting photos of the 75 year memorial run on the Dessau Autobahn from last autumn are shown, where interesting streamlined cars like the 1935 Leichtbau Maier joined in.

It is available in German language only as I know and costs 20€ over here in Germany.


Offline Wendax

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 63195
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 2354
  • e^^(i*pi)+1=0
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Two more pictures:

Offline Wendax

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 63195
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 2354
  • e^^(i*pi)+1=0
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Some more pictures: