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Re: 423. by Allemano
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2010, 05:27:53 AM »
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Re: 423. by Allemano
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2010, 01:02:56 PM »
Moretti 1100 Wagon ( Giardiniera )
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Re: 423. by Allemano
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2010, 01:29:05 PM »
No.

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Re: 423. by Allemano
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2010, 03:05:51 PM »
1954 Fiat 1100 Giardinetta Viotti.

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Re: 423. by Allemano
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2010, 05:29:32 PM »
no. ???

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Re: 423. by Allemano
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2010, 08:03:40 AM »
You are right: this is not exactly the same car, but it's very very similar.
Let's try with a more organized approach... The body looks definitely as Viotti, but a detail is not coherent: the triangular emblem on the front fender. This could mean two other coachbuilders, as far as I know: Monterosa or Monviso. Is it made by one of them?
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Re: 423. by Allemano
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2010, 07:29:30 AM »
Yes!

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Re: 423. by Allemano
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2010, 07:34:21 AM »
It's a 50-50 guess, because I've no evidence of this car, but considering that Monviso was going to close in those years, I'll say Monterosa. Is it Monterosa?
And is the Fiat 1100/103 the right base?

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Re: 423. by Allemano
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2010, 07:58:54 AM »
Your guesses are correct. All I'd liked to know now is the right designation.

  Your puzzle till your next reply!
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Re: 423. by Allemano
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2010, 08:05:02 AM »
I dont't think it has a particular name: should just be Fiat 1100/103 giardinetta by Monterosa.
And can I ask your source, even by PM? I'd like go a little deeper and understand why is it so similar to the Viotti.

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Re: 423. by Allemano
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2010, 08:13:23 AM »
According to my source it has indeed a particular name.
I'll sent you a PM in a few minutes..

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Re: 423. by Allemano
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2010, 09:17:35 AM »
Interesting, but I give up: it's not in my sources  ??? so the point is still available for somebody who knows this car.

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Re: 423. by Allemano
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2010, 09:22:40 AM »
I can give you the source, but then you're out of the race.

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Re: 423. by Allemano
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2010, 02:54:44 PM »
Open again!

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Re: 423. by Allemano
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2010, 01:33:20 PM »
1955 Fiat 1100 103 Monterosa Moncalieri ?
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Re: 423. by Allemano
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2010, 12:52:07 AM »
1955 Fiat 1100 103 Monterosa Moncalieri ?
Yes!

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Re: 423. by Allemano
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2010, 11:22:23 AM »
I'd like go a little deeper and understand why is it so similar to the Viotti.

I raised exactly the same questions on another forum a couple of weeks ago, but until now...no response
So the results of your investigation are more than welcome!

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Re: Solved: 423. by Allemano - 1955 Fiat 1100 103 Monterosa Moncalieri
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2010, 01:13:21 PM »
Nothing sure, but two guesses.

1st: Michelotti as the designer of both. It happened with quite all the 600M vans, that are absolutely identical, made by Accossato, Caprera, Viotti or others: for such an utility vehicle Michelotti sold the right of the design to many coachbuilders. But this one is not so "utility" and Viotti was very proud of its "Giardinettas".

2nd: same sub-supplier. Viotti was big and sometimes had other minor coachbuilders as bodywork sub-suppliers. Perhaps Monterosa did the car for Viotti and then re-proposed it slightly modified with its own brand.

Another note: apart from the game, I'm quite sure that the word "Moncalieri" comes from a misunderstanding. It's the small town near Turin were Monterosa was based and has very little sense in Italian language as a name for a car. I think that on the back of a press-photo there could have been a caption "Monterosa Moncalieri" as the address and somebody has misreported it.

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Re: Solved: 423. by Allemano - 1955 Fiat 1100 103 Monterosa Moncalieri
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2010, 04:58:20 PM »
@als15
Yes we'd discussed about it, but I gave you the reason why I decided to keep it that way... ;)
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Re: Solved: 423. by Allemano - 1955 Fiat 1100 103 Monterosa Moncalieri
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2010, 05:39:56 PM »
We see car makes allover the world (say Shanghai in China, Dessauer from Germany to the Seat Ibiza from Spain etc. etc.) take the names from cities.

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Re: Solved: 423. by Allemano - 1955 Fiat 1100 103 Monterosa Moncalieri
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2010, 06:12:05 PM »
We see car makes allover the world (say Shanghai in China, Dessauer from Germany to the Seat Ibiza from Spain etc. etc.) take the names from cities.

Seat Malaga, Seat Marbella perhaps a bit more appropriate than Ibiza!
Morris Oxford, Austin Cambridge, Mercury Monterey etc etc - the list is endless!
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Re: Solved: 423. by Allemano - 1955 Fiat 1100 103 Monterosa Moncalieri
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2010, 02:02:41 AM »
@als15
Yes we'd discussed about it, but I gave you the reason why I decided to keep it that way... ;)

And I agree 100% with you: the puzzle solver is indeed who found the name you have in your source.

But now this is a good opportunity to discuss about the name of this car.

Of course I agree that there are several cars named after cities. What I mean is that the city should be somehow "worthy" of that. I'm taliking as an Italian native speaker: "Moncalieri" doesn't make any sense. But of course this is just a personal opinion. As I said to Allemano by PM (before the puzzle ended), I'd like to see the real source of that, but unfortunatley none of us has the original photo.

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Re: Solved: 423. by Allemano - 1955 Fiat 1100 103 Monterosa Moncalieri
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2010, 05:25:10 AM »
We see car makes allover the world (say Shanghai in China, Dessauer from Germany to the Seat Ibiza from Spain etc. etc.) take the names from cities.

Seat Malaga, Seat Marbella perhaps a bit more appropriate than Ibiza!
Morris Oxford, Austin Cambridge, Mercury Monterey etc etc - the list is endless!
first thing that came to mind, though I drive  a Leon now...

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Re: Solved: 423. by Allemano - 1955 Fiat 1100 103 Monterosa Moncalieri
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2010, 06:05:05 AM »
Moncalieri might sound a bit daft to an Italian but to us English-speakers it sounds great and typically Italian!
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