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looks familiar?
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Re: 368. by Allemano
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2010, 07:02:48 AM »
moved..

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Re: 368. by Allemano
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2010, 08:03:21 AM »
Rosier 4CV Barquette?
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Re: 368. by Allemano
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2010, 08:13:23 AM »
Not that!

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Re: 368. by Allemano
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2010, 08:31:49 AM »
Beetle-based?
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Re: 368. by Allemano
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2010, 08:49:24 AM »
Not Beetle based

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Re: 368. by Allemano
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2010, 10:36:31 AM »
Then Porsche-based?
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Re: 368. by Allemano
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2010, 10:28:17 AM »

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Re: 368. by Allemano
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2010, 06:58:54 AM »
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Re: 368. by Allemano
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2010, 07:38:57 AM »
Thank you!

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Re: 368. by Allemano
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2010, 12:42:51 PM »
What about Professionals?

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Re: 368. by Allemano
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2010, 07:45:22 AM »
Does 'F' on the plate suggest it's French? I'm not good in numberplates...

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Re: 368. by Allemano
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2010, 08:39:46 AM »
Even more specific: the 75 means that it was registered in Paris

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Re: 368. by Allemano
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2010, 06:55:38 AM »
The owner was French, but the car was bodied somewhere else!

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Re: 368. by Allemano
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2010, 10:07:07 AM »
Netherlands?

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Re: 368. by Allemano
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2010, 12:24:00 PM »
Not from there!

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Re: 368. by Allemano
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2010, 12:57:04 PM »
Maybe Germany?

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Re: 368. by Allemano
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2010, 02:21:44 AM »
The base is German.

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Re: 368. by Allemano
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2010, 04:19:15 AM »
Ah, well, the car was Porsche based, Joao Gois has already come up with it... I'll stop guessing the country now and will rather try to find the car.

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Re: 368. by Allemano
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2010, 04:31:12 AM »
I think it will be quite surprising who did the coachwork for this car. Unfortunately it was very short lived.  :-\

I've searched the internet if there are infos available. Just found the car, but the story I have read went a little different...
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Re: 368. by Allemano
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2010, 05:20:45 AM »
Is it, by any chance, 356 Zagato which Claude Storez and Robert Buchet raced in 1958 Tour de France? Looks quite similar.

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Re: 368. by Allemano
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2010, 05:29:55 AM »
Niceley done Sir! It's indeed the Zagato bodied 356 Storez based on a Carrera GT!

My source reports that this car was ordered by French GT-champion Claude Storez and that it was light-bodied by Zagato. In Stuttgart's Porsche factory the engine was optimized and after that a French mechanic ought to drive the car to Monsieur Storez to Paris. Unfortunately the car crashed near Stuttgart and got totally damaged.
Other sources tell a different story that Storez was killed in that particular car. I really have no idea which story is wrong and which right.
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There is one source (maybe the same as yours, but at the very bottom) telling that after the traffic accident the car was taken back to Zagato and rebuilt. At least the picture of 1959 Storez accident shows a very similar car.
As for the source, picture is taken form a big French forum... Was signed to be from Jacques Mertens' collection.

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Quote from a well known source:

"(...)  the car was badly damaged by Michael Maniani, a cousin of Storez. Maniani took delivery of the car in Stuttgart and only made it 10 KM's out of town. The damaged car was taken to Zagato and rebuilt in time for the Tour de France were Storez raced it with race number 139. Later that year he was killed driving the Zagato at Rheims. The car was destroyed."

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Now that's a surprise!
I happen to know that Zagato is building a 'Sanction 2'-version (they wouldn't call it a replica!) of this car right now.
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