Topic: Productmobiles...almost solved!

[grobmotorix]

Well, look at the Wheels, the bolts, the fixing of the Spare wheel, the bonnet rips, the lines of the cooler mask.

I´m quite sure it is the 10-15 and no other Opel.

[Ray B.]

Stop! Are we going to be able to end this debate someday? I'll caption the picture as a Packard, Buick or Opel and hope I will please everyone...

Well, look at the Wheels, the bolts,
No difference with the Buick to me
 The fixing of the Spare wheel,
It's fixed like this in almost any car. I had a picture of a Packard with the same ornament on the spare wheel cover but didn't attach it.
 The bonnet rips, the lines of the cooler mask.
Except what I wrote above, they're quite the same on the Packard.

I´m quite sure it is the 10-15 and no other Opel.

... and something you missed: the protective plates below the door sill are wider and less rounder on the puzzle car than on the  Opel.

[Allemano]

..and the lights are not drum-shaped..


Why you want to stop the debate?
I always was of the opinion that this site is about finding the true identity of cars – as accurate as possible!
Are you only dissapointed it possibly could be a boring Opel and not a much more glamerous American?

Of course you're the boss of your own puzzle!

but if you don't mind I do some further research to my own pleasure... 

[Ray B.]

..and the lights are not drum-shaped.
Why you want to stop the debate?
I always was of the opinion that this site is about finding the true identity of cars – as accurate as possible!
Are you only dissapointed it possibly could be a boring Opel and not a much more glamerous American?

The lights, true (but an earlier model could have drum-shaped lights).
And I forgot to remind Grobmotorix about the fenders: they have an outer lip that you find on the Packard, on the Buick Limo but on NONE of the Opels. Why would the builder change the fenders?
If I'm disappointed it would rather be to have believed I had found the correct make and discover that other could match too.

So, keep it open. I don't know if there will ever be an evidence conclusive enough for me to give the second point, but let's go on.

[pnegyesi]

Before I post a solution to one of the two unidentified productmobiles, I have to share a little story with you.
When I saw that there's a German vehicle from 1931 and another from 1934 I instantly knew that the original pictures came from Motor magazine. It was a lavish monthly, published from the 1910s to the 1940s. If you ever met the French Omnia magazine, you get the idea.
I recalled that there are no volumes of Motor in Hungarian libraries, but then I checked out the on-line catalog of the Technical University Library and saw that they had 1931 indeed. So today I went to the depot of the Library - the place where I usually check out various years of Automobile Revue (and find nice puzzles and materials for my auto history class). They know that I am a kind of automobile history freak, and as the manager of the depot was at hand he showed me a couple of magazines awaiting to be sent to the shredder. I immediately jumped into action and saved 8 years of Automotor Journal (a British publication from the 1910s), a couple years of La France Automobile and about 2 years of Autocar. It was this very puzzle, which led me to saving these beautiful publications!!! Thank you

And now, onto Productmobiles. I found the 1931 one, relating the Berlin Wintergarten Varieté. The car was based on a 1-ton Brennabor chassis. Please find enclosed a picture and a description in German
As for the 1934 productmobile - you have to wait until June when I will get to Austria and as I have to do some research there, I'll check out the relevant issues of Motor then.

[Allemano]

[pnegyesi]

Well, someone else has to do the translation from German

[grobmotorix]

What a story. It´just unbelievable that someone would just throw away magazines like those...

Congratulations! Enjoy them...

[Ray B.]

 

Pnegyesi, you are in invaluable recruit for Autopuzzles! I didn't think this would ever be found. But it is about the tenth time I feel this way and an Autopuzzler comes up with the answer.
As Allemano said:

I always was of the opinion that this site is about finding the true identity of cars – as accurate as possible!

Grobmotorix will translate it later, but what's left of my German studies says it's built on a one ton Brennabor Chassis.
You've got the point, right now.

I don't think I'll give another for the basis of Productmobile #8, in the meantime, unless someone (you?) comes up with  some kind of evidence, because there's no certainty about it.

[guido66]

 

[pnegyesi]

Thanks. There are many similar stories from the last 15 years or so. Sometimes we are lucky and arrive on time to save magazines, one-off academic research materials, sometimes we are too late. Just a couple of weeks ago got wind of news that another library collection is being dismantled. We arrived too late - a 1916 photo album, comprising beautiful illustrations of Magyar Waggon and Gépgyár (Rába)'s product range disappeared. There are not too many copies left of this album

And we'll see about the other Productmobile in June

[grobmotorix]

Well, it was hard work for me, but I hope you will understand everything.

So, here´s the translation of the subtext of the Brennabor productmobile photography:

“The special purpose of advertising is even emphasized by its strange body modifications.
This advertising vehicle of the Wintergarten-Varieté has been presented at the Radio Exhibition.
It´s equipped with an amplifier a for radio and record broadcasting.
The vehicle also contains a translucent, lighted area for advertising space that would even be able to display “Double-8” movies.
The whole bodywork rests on a 1-ton chassis, built by Brennabor.
The constant electrical voltage generator and the ac/dc converter have been attached next to each other on cross beams below the vehicle´s floor pan.
All the electrical apparatus to be operated was placed in the interiour of the cabin, at the back window.
The interiour had to leave as much space as necessary for two persons, the driver and the operator.”

Brennabor´s were produced very near to Berlin, so it is most likely that the bodywork has been built by Buhne or Luchterhand & Freytag, which both were renowned companies in producing special vehicles like that.

[Allemano]

Wow thanks! Just was working on the same task.., but still on the first lines.. 

[grobmotorix]

Ich hasse deutsche Schachtelsätze....

[Allemano]

I never researched in public libraries in Germany, but after I've read pnegyesi's story I will include them as well....

[pnegyesi]

You can never substitute research in libraries and archives with the internet. The net is a nice tool and a great additional resource, but I still enjoy spending time in archives

[Ray B.]

I hadn't tallied the point for this one yet .
There may be a last one to earn on N°7 because we can't make up our minds whether it's based on an Opel, Buick, or Packard. But let's move this to the solved section anyway. Rigt now the count goes like this:
75 America, 3 points
Allemano, pnegyesi, 2 points
Joao, Impishgrin, Guido 66, 1 point

[pnegyesi]

Well, unfortunately Motor is not available at the Austrian National Library. Will anyone be visiting Münich in the not so distant future? At the Deutsches Museum Library, the answer could be found.