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Title: KU's Puzzle #1630 - 1916 F.R.P.
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 08, 2010, 05:20:31 AM

Know what it is?

Please, respond below and identify what this is, and who built it.
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Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 15, 2010, 06:03:36 AM

Well, we're movin' on up!

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: guido66 on May 15, 2010, 06:40:05 AM

From Europe?

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 15, 2010, 06:44:11 AM

Not from there.

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 24, 2010, 05:57:43 AM

Pros?

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: pnegyesi on May 24, 2010, 07:05:57 AM

USA?

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 24, 2010, 08:25:00 AM

Yes

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: pnegyesi on May 24, 2010, 08:27:28 AM

East coast?

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 24, 2010, 09:55:45 AM

Yes

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: pnegyesi on May 24, 2010, 11:36:46 AM

New York state?

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 24, 2010, 11:38:53 AM

Yep.

Now, for some guesses about the car.  ;)

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: pnegyesi on May 24, 2010, 11:53:36 AM

Coming up, I just wanted to locate it geographically. I have to find the English word for Spitzkühler, probably wedge-shaped radiator. So did it have a wedge-shaped radiator? It was popular in Germany, but not so much in USA

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: pnegyesi on May 24, 2010, 12:53:09 PM

Can this be another Singer? A Singer Six perhaps?

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 24, 2010, 01:29:05 PM

Quote from: pnegyesi on May 24, 2010, 11:53:36 AM

Coming up, I just wanted to locate it geographically. I have to find the English word for Spitzkühler, probably wedge-shaped radiator. So did it have a wedge-shaped radiator? It was popular in Germany, but not so much in USA

Every car I have seen from this brand (and there were not a lot of them) has a similar radiator shell. I don't know if the radiator itself was veed. I have never examined one of these cars other than in pictures and text.

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 24, 2010, 01:29:19 PM

Quote from: pnegyesi on May 24, 2010, 12:53:09 PM

Can this be another Singer? A Singer Six perhaps?

Not a Singer.

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: pnegyesi on May 24, 2010, 02:05:51 PM

So this was one was located in NY state and existed for only a few years. Was it active in the 1910s only?

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 24, 2010, 02:30:17 PM

That's right.

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: pnegyesi on May 24, 2010, 02:55:39 PM

Is there anything which is distinctive about this brand, aside from its radiator? Like its engine or chassis?

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: pnegyesi on May 24, 2010, 03:06:01 PM

Is this an Edwards Knight? (sorry for the two questions, I am off to sleep now and won't see your answer to the other q 'til tomorrow)

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 24, 2010, 04:23:15 PM

Quote from: pnegyesi on May 24, 2010, 02:55:39 PM

Is there anything which is distinctive about this brand, aside from its radiator? Like its engine or chassis?

Cars of this make were quite expensive, and were alleged to have prodigious performance

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 24, 2010, 04:23:43 PM

Quote from: pnegyesi on May 24, 2010, 03:06:01 PM

Is this an Edwards Knight?

No, not one of those

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: metalshapes on May 24, 2010, 10:19:43 PM

I found a pic of a 1915 Biddle with a similar grille.

Is it a Biddle?

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: pnegyesi on May 25, 2010, 12:18:01 AM

Is this an FRP by Finley Robertson Porter? It seems to fit all criteria

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 25, 2010, 03:53:10 AM

Quote from: metalshapes on May 24, 2010, 10:19:43 PM

I found a pic of a 1915 Biddle with a similar grille.

Is it a Biddle?

No

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: pnegyesi on May 25, 2010, 03:55:01 AM

And how about my guess, regarding FRP?

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 25, 2010, 03:56:05 AM

Can you give me all of 5 minutes, please?

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 25, 2010, 03:58:08 AM

Yes, it's an FRP, from 1916

F. R. P.
The Finley-Robertson-Porter Co.
Port Jefferson, Long Island NY
1914-1918

In 1910 Finley Robertson Porter designed a powerful T-head engine for Mercer Automobile Co. before forming The Finley-Robertson-Porter Co. of Port Jefferson, Long Island NY. Porter produced an American Automobile called the F. R. P. using the initials in his name. Finley Robertson Porter was Mercer's chief engineer prior to 1914 and was prominent in early automotive history.

Porter designed his F. R. P. automobiles with three different wheelbase sizes. The Series A with a 110 in wheelbase and used on his racing models. Series B cars were 140 inches and Series C cars were 130 inches. Body styles included a Racer, Victoria, Town Car and a 7 passenger touring car.

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630 - 1916 F.R.P.
Post by: pnegyesi on May 25, 2010, 04:07:09 AM

I apologize for being impatient

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630 - 1916 F.R.P.
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 25, 2010, 04:46:37 AM

No worries - was was rude. It is I who should apologize to you.  :-[

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630 - 1916 F.R.P.
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 26, 2010, 04:49:34 AM

Here is a picture of the only FRP that is known to remain intact. It's at the Seal Cove Auto Museum in Maine. This is a 1916 example.

Title: Re: KU's Puzzle #1630 - 1916 F.R.P.
Post by: sixtee5cuda on June 11, 2012, 01:40:58 PM

A 1914 F.R.P. Model B Runabout appeared at the 2002 Retromobile in Paris. 

Several pictures of the Runabout are available online, with watermarks by Trombinoscar.com.

I have attached an image of the Runabout, from another source.