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Solved -PJ170- Gorgoni Via Col Vento 1946
« on: June 23, 2009, 07:22:41 AM »
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Re: PJ - 170
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2009, 07:43:42 AM »
Buckminster Fullers Dymaxion?

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Re: PJ - 170
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2009, 07:45:24 AM »
Good guess, but no, not that.
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Re: PJ - 170
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2009, 05:00:48 PM »
Experts?

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Re: PJ - 170
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2009, 02:42:15 PM »
Pros?

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Re: PJ - 170
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2009, 02:13:55 AM »
"Fiberglass streamline automobile, produced by Alberto Gorgoni, Rome, Italy."
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Re: PJ - 170
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2009, 05:14:47 AM »
He's the man...can you tell me the name of this car?
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Re: PJ - 170
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2009, 06:18:45 AM »
Frankly, it's called "Gone With the Wind".
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Re: PJ - 170
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2009, 06:25:39 AM »
Yep, but don't forget it was italian...

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Re: PJ - 170
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2009, 07:12:04 AM »
"Via Col Vento"?
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Re: PJ - 170
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2009, 07:34:29 AM »
That's the name...another case of diamond-pattern wheels!
Built by Alberto Gorgoni in 1946.

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Re: Solved -PJ170- Gorgoni Via Col Vento 1946
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2010, 10:48:20 AM »
Note that the Hemmings blog, where I found the picture below, seriously questions that this car was ever built, at least as a full-size roadable model.

"We’re skeptical about the Via Col Vento for a few reasons. First, we haven’t found even a mention of Gorgoni, of Rome, Italy, in any literature or automobile reference books. Second, the photos we’ve seen appear to have been taken with forced perspective and were subsequently heavily retouched. Third, while fiberglass was indeed used as insulation starting in the late 1930s and through the war, its use as an alternative to steel and aluminum in car bodies wasn’t pioneered until several years after the war. All of this leads us to believe Gorgoni never built a full-scale prototype."

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2010/08/10/gordon-v-gorgoni-streamlined-diamonds-an-ocean-apart/
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Re: Solved -PJ170- Gorgoni Via Col Vento 1946
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2010, 10:58:16 AM »
Note that the Hemmings blog, where I found the picture below, seriously questions that this car was ever built, at least as a full-size roadable model.

"We’re skeptical about the Via Col Vento for a few reasons. First, we haven’t found even a mention of Gorgoni, of Rome, Italy, in any literature or automobile reference books.

Well, there is a reference about Gorgoni in an Italian magazine of the 60s, in an issue of Popular Mechanics and there are 4 pictures with 4 paragraphs below from a collection...
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Re: Solved -PJ170- Gorgoni Via Col Vento 1946
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2010, 11:39:26 AM »
"While the International Motor Show has been inaugurated in Paris
without the inclusion of Italy, Mr Albert Gorgoni of Rome, (can)
be seen standing by the motor-car of the future, built according
to the model "gone with the wind2 wich He planned many years (ago).
He thus proves that italian intelligence may perhaps yet be
the forefront and cannot be enclosed in a tin of 'evaporated
milk'.
The principal features of the new model are: panoramic pu-(...)
-rely aerodynamic body, entirely built of plastic substances (...)
-glass, the frame of aluminium, small high-powered motor, (...)
-ged in rear, the wheels are of reduced size, and placed in su(ch)
a position as to make it possible for the car to turn round (al)
most in its own lenght, there are 9 seats, wich can be transformed
into beds, the luggage boot has a capacity which far
surpasses that of any other existing car.
These and other technical improvements make this car the late
and best product of modern technique"

"(Gone with) the wind designed by Mr Albert Gorgoni of Rome.
(...)the fathers of the new car are, an ultraaerodynamic body of
synthetical glass, which abolishes bonnet, mudguards,wind-
screen, foot-board and door handles, and attains great eco-
nomy. The seats can be transformed into beds. The arrangements
of the wheels is such as to allow the car to turn round almost
on its own lenght.
The car can be changed automatically into an open one, in ad-
dition it possesses many other technicals improvements.
On the bumper you can read 'Italia 1925' that is the year
in which Mr Albert Gorgoni - at the age of only nine - conceived
and planned this model, which is still to-day to be con-
sidered as an ultra-advanced one. Thence he has been called:
(the father\master of aerodynamics?)." 
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Re: Solved -PJ170- Gorgoni Via Col Vento 1946
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2010, 11:59:04 AM »
The 1st line of the paragraph dates them around 1946, when Italy was excluded from the Paris Salon.

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Re: Solved -PJ170- Gorgoni Via Col Vento 1946
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2010, 12:41:44 PM »
Don't shoot me, I am only the piano player ! :shiner:

It's true that the picture looks heavily retouched: It seems that it is  made up from three different shots pasted together: the soil under and around the car seems to be very rough and at a smaller scale, making believe that he car is a photography of a scale model, integrated in a picture of a full scale background. The figures  also look pasted. The most obvious is that he texture of the picture is very different, and much smoother on the car than the background.
But so much for the lack of any litterature.

Paul, maybe you should post a comment on the Hemmings blog.
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Re: Solved -PJ170- Gorgoni Via Col Vento 1946
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2010, 12:45:10 PM »
dition it possesses many other technicals improvements.
On the bumper you can read 'Italia 1925' that is the year
in which Mr Albert Gorgoni - at the age of only nine - conceived
and planned this model, which is still to-day to be con-
sidered as an ultra-advanced one. Thence he has been called:
(the father\master of aerodynamics?)." 

You don't say!
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Re: Solved -PJ170- Gorgoni Via Col Vento 1946
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2010, 12:50:51 PM »
Don't shoot me, I am only the piano player ! :shiner:

It's true that the picture looks heavily retouched: It seems that it is made up from three different shots pasted together: the soil under and around the car seems to be very rough and at a smaller scale, making believe that he car is a photography of a scale model, integrated in a picture of a full scale background. The figures also look pasted. The most obvious is that he texture of the picture is very different, and much smoother on the car than the background.
But so much for the lack of any litterature.

Paul, maybe you should post a comment on the Hemmings blog.

I know, Ray, and I'm grateful you revived this topic.
I was replying to them, pasting your comment...but I also added a comment there.
I think it is a scale-model too, Mr Gorgoni is in the same position inside and outside the vehicle!