GG-226 Victoria by "Groninger Motorrijtuigenfabriek"

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guido66

October 02, 2010, 05:18:01 AM
Tell me what this is, and I'll reward you with a point  :)

guido66

#1
October 06, 2010, 04:37:57 PM
Experts?

ftg3plus4

#2
October 07, 2010, 08:17:51 AM
I'd say it's a Lutzmann vis-a-vis, about 1896.
"May I submit 'Utopian Turtletop'? Do not trouble to answer unless you like it."
-- Marianne Moore, suggesting a name for what would become the Edsel

guido66

#3
October 07, 2010, 01:09:29 PM
It's not a Lutzmann. I only have an estimated year for this and your not far off.

ftg3plus4

#4
October 07, 2010, 09:27:37 PM
Early Opel (c.1898) based on the Lutzmann?
"May I submit 'Utopian Turtletop'? Do not trouble to answer unless you like it."
-- Marianne Moore, suggesting a name for what would become the Edsel

guido66

#5
October 08, 2010, 03:30:02 AM
Not an Opel, either

guido66

#6
October 14, 2010, 04:55:50 PM
1 up

pnegyesi

#7
October 14, 2010, 11:05:00 PM
Is it from Germany?

guido66

#8
October 15, 2010, 05:35:32 AM
No

pnegyesi

#9
October 15, 2010, 07:33:05 AM
Is this from Northern Europe?

guido66

#10
October 15, 2010, 10:25:03 AM
No

yves

#11
October 16, 2010, 02:07:52 PM
From Southern Europe ? ;)

guido66

#12
October 16, 2010, 03:24:43 PM
Not from there

pnegyesi

#13
October 16, 2010, 11:43:38 PM
Russia?

grobmotorix

#14
October 17, 2010, 03:49:08 AM
Bent engined? It looks very much like a kind of licence build of a Benz Victoria.

guido66

#15
October 17, 2010, 03:52:13 AM
Not from Russia, and I have no information on the engine

pnegyesi

#16
October 17, 2010, 05:40:55 AM
Is it from Europe at all?

Tom_I

#17
October 17, 2010, 06:50:45 AM
This is one of several puzzles that I am finding very frustrating at the moment, as I can get half-way to an answer, but no further.

This car looks just like an 1895 Lutzmann - there's a well-known photo below. The two cars are the same in almost every detail. The only significant difference I can see is in the rear hub, where the Lutzmann has a large drum, which would have external contracting brakes acting on it, while the puzzle car appears to just have a sprocket wheel for the chain drive, but no brake drum.

So is it a Lutzmann built under licence by someone else, or a blatant copy of one, or maybe a genuine Lutzmann that has been modified mechanically? Whatever it is, I haven't been able to find it.

But as a guess, is it from the USA?

guido66

#18
October 17, 2010, 01:13:52 PM Last Edit: October 17, 2010, 01:22:51 PM by guido66
Not from the USA. There is very little known about this make, so I cannot tell you anything about a Lutzmann relation.

pnegyesi

#19
November 04, 2010, 04:29:28 AM
Is it from Europe at all?

Allan L

#20
November 04, 2010, 04:58:07 AM Last Edit: November 04, 2010, 05:00:56 AM by Allan L
I agree with ftg3plus4 and Tom_I that if it is not a Lutzmann, there is too much about it that is the same for there to be no connection.
Quite possibly it is a publicity photo used for the non-Lutzmann make when they had yet to build a car, so they used a Lutzmann photo.
Perhaps Guido66 can post another photo of the car so that we can see how different (or not) is it.
Opinionated but sometimes wrong

DeAutogids

#21
November 04, 2010, 09:28:17 AM
Is it from Asia?

guido66

#22
November 04, 2010, 10:17:09 AM
It is European and it's the only photo of this vehicle known to me

DeAutogids

#23
November 04, 2010, 10:20:17 AM
Benelux?

guido66

#24
November 04, 2010, 02:05:00 PM
Yes, indeed.
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