Author Topic: GG-226 Victoria by "Groninger Motorrijtuigenfabriek" (Read 1721 times)

guido66 · « **on:** October 02, 2010, 05:18:01 AM »

Tell me what this is, and I'll reward you with a point

guido66 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 06, 2010, 04:37:57 PM »

Experts?

ftg3plus4 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 07, 2010, 08:17:51 AM »

I'd say it's a Lutzmann vis-a-vis, about 1896.

guido66 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 07, 2010, 01:09:29 PM »

It's not a Lutzmann. I only have an estimated year for this and your not far off.

ftg3plus4 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 07, 2010, 09:27:37 PM »

Early Opel (c.1898) based on the Lutzmann?

guido66 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 08, 2010, 03:30:02 AM »

Not an Opel, either

guido66 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 14, 2010, 04:55:50 PM »

pnegyesi · « **Reply #7 on:** October 14, 2010, 11:05:00 PM »

Is it from Germany?

guido66 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 15, 2010, 05:35:32 AM »

pnegyesi · « **Reply #9 on:** October 15, 2010, 07:33:05 AM »

Is this from Northern Europe?

guido66 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 15, 2010, 10:25:03 AM »

yves · « **Reply #11 on:** October 16, 2010, 02:07:52 PM »

From Southern Europe ?

guido66 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 16, 2010, 03:24:43 PM »

Not from there

pnegyesi · « **Reply #13 on:** October 16, 2010, 11:43:38 PM »

Russia?

grobmotorix · « **Reply #14 on:** October 17, 2010, 03:49:08 AM »

Bent engined? It looks very much like a kind of licence build of a Benz Victoria.

guido66 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 17, 2010, 03:52:13 AM »

Not from Russia, and I have no information on the engine

pnegyesi · « **Reply #16 on:** October 17, 2010, 05:40:55 AM »

Is it from Europe at all?

Tom_I · « **Reply #17 on:** October 17, 2010, 06:50:45 AM »

This is one of several puzzles that I am finding very frustrating at the moment, as I can get half-way to an answer, but no further.

This car looks just like an 1895 Lutzmann - there's a well-known photo below. The two cars are the same in almost every detail. The only significant difference I can see is in the rear hub, where the Lutzmann has a large drum, which would have external contracting brakes acting on it, while the puzzle car appears to just have a sprocket wheel for the chain drive, but no brake drum.

So is it a Lutzmann built under licence by someone else, or a blatant copy of one, or maybe a genuine Lutzmann that has been modified mechanically? Whatever it is, I haven't been able to find it.

But as a guess, is it from the USA?

guido66 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 17, 2010, 01:13:52 PM »

Not from the USA. There is very little known about this make, so I cannot tell you anything about a Lutzmann relation.

pnegyesi · « **Reply #19 on:** November 04, 2010, 04:29:28 AM »

Is it from Europe at all?

Allan L · « **Reply #20 on:** November 04, 2010, 04:58:07 AM »

I agree with ftg3plus4 and Tom_I that if it is not a Lutzmann, there is too much about it that is the same for there to be no connection.
Quite possibly it is a publicity photo used for the non-Lutzmann make when they had yet to build a car, so they used a Lutzmann photo.
Perhaps Guido66 can post another photo of the car so that we can see how different (or not) is it.

DeAutogids · « **Reply #21 on:** November 04, 2010, 09:28:17 AM »

Is it from Asia?

guido66 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 04, 2010, 10:17:09 AM »

It is European and it's the only photo of this vehicle known to me

DeAutogids · « **Reply #23 on:** November 04, 2010, 10:20:17 AM »

Benelux?

guido66 · « **Reply #24 on:** November 04, 2010, 02:05:00 PM »

Yes, indeed.

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Author Topic: GG-226 Victoria by "Groninger Motorrijtuigenfabriek" (Read 1721 times)