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Puzzle #1803 - BMW 303 Sport Rennwagen with Stiller Body
« on: December 07, 2010, 05:50:24 AM »
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Re: Puzzle #1803
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2010, 05:32:22 AM »
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Re: Puzzle #1803
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2010, 03:04:15 PM »
Italian?

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Re: Puzzle #1803
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2010, 03:51:53 AM »
No
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Re: Puzzle #1803
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2010, 04:53:56 AM »
European?

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Re: Puzzle #1803
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2010, 05:03:57 AM »
Yes
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Re: Puzzle #1803
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2010, 12:18:47 PM »
French?

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Re: Puzzle #1803
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2010, 12:47:29 PM »
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Re: Puzzle #1803
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2010, 01:10:03 PM »
Those look like Mercedes rear lights to me; so is it German?
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Re: Puzzle #1803
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2010, 03:14:17 PM »
Yes (but not Mercedes)
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Re: Puzzle #1803
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2010, 06:46:13 PM »
Are the rear lights a later addition?
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Re: Puzzle #1803
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2010, 04:14:54 AM »
Possibly. This car was occasionally modified over the years, but it's basic configuration and look remain intact. 
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Re: Puzzle #1803
« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2010, 04:07:28 AM »
Pros?
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Re: Puzzle #1803
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2010, 05:37:42 AM »
Any BMW connection?

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Re: Puzzle #1803
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2010, 07:41:12 AM »
Indeed!
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Re: Puzzle #1803
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2010, 08:36:02 AM »
It appears to be a BMW 303 Sport which would originally date from c1933, but I can't find anything like it in Werner Oswald so it could have been rebodied into this form at more or less any time in the last 77 years - well perhaps not during 1939-45!
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Re: Puzzle #1803
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2010, 09:09:12 AM »
BMW 303 Sport Rennwagen (racing car) by Karosserie Stiller.

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Re: Puzzle #1803
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2010, 09:21:43 AM »
I see it is for sale! They say 1934, and imply it was bodied like that from the beginning. . . but it's got a 315 motor now.
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Re: Puzzle #1803
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2010, 09:31:38 AM »
BMW 303 Sport Rennwagen (racing car) by Karosserie Stiller.

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The rolling chassis was sold in 1934 at the BMW dealer Stösser in Munich. Coachbuilder Stiller built the race car body, which in the following years, underwent slight modifications. In the late 1930s, the larger 1.5-liter 6-cylinder from the BMW 315 was installed. As Allan noted, that engine remains in the car, which is for sale.
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Re: Puzzle #1803 - BMW 303 Sport Rennwagen with Stiller Body
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2013, 05:27:46 PM »
This is my car.  I've had it since 1961.  Let me know if you have any questions. USA 704-201-7854
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Re: Puzzle #1803 - BMW 303 Sport Rennwagen with Stiller Body
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2013, 07:11:48 AM »
This is my car.  I've had it since 1961.  Let me know if you have any questions. USA 704-201-7854
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Re: Puzzle #1803 - BMW 303 Sport Rennwagen with Stiller Body
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2014, 04:17:03 PM »
A photo from the 60s (sorry for the "watermark"):

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Re: Puzzle #1803 - BMW 303 Sport Rennwagen with Stiller Body
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2014, 05:16:12 PM »
A photo from the 60s (sorry for the "watermark"):
The car crashed into it... :-\

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Re: Puzzle #1803 - BMW 303 Sport Rennwagen with Stiller Body
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2018, 12:12:40 PM »
Meanwhile some more facts have come to light. The car was built in 1934 for race driver Eugen Stösser. It is not a modified 303, but the chassis #46534 was a one-off, the engine was reduced to 1098 cc and placed further back, so that a Zoller supercharger could be placed in front of it (see the first four pictures below). In 1936 it was sold to Stiller, who changed the engine and added cycle wings as well as an aerodynamic front axle cover (see last picture below). Stiller sold the car in the early 1940s. After the war a two-litre engine was fitted, a windscreen and a roadster top added, and the rear was modified featuring 190 SL rear lights. The car has been carefully restored now.