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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2010, 02:01:27 AM »
Just a guess to open this up to more successful puzzlers:  The 1937 P4 in "Doomed to Die" (1940)?

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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2010, 04:32:54 AM »
Not that one. The Plymouth in this film is a convertible. The one we're talking of is a Coupe, as you previously guessed. We've had The Big Sleep in one of my recent group puzzles, so this one should be easy to check.

I first was sure that it was a 1937 model, but it appears that the character drives a 1937 in some scenes, a 1938 in others. Apparently the studio had a couple of cars and used them interchangeably.
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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2010, 07:39:44 AM »
Ahhhh...  Then I'll go with "High Sierra"  ;)

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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2010, 07:44:00 AM »
And you'll do well. High Sierra it is. Now you  can move on to Character B.
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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2010, 09:54:12 AM »
Link number #8 ( The engine picture ) is a 1937 Lincoln Model K Sedan by Brunn.

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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2010, 10:11:55 AM »
Correct. That engine bay is that of a 1937 Lincoln model K. Maybe a sedan, I don't remember, but the car I'm after is not a sedan.
Links 7, 8 and 9 are locked for Joao  24 hours (as often with connection puzzles, this part is becoming rather complicated. Sorry).
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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2010, 12:29:56 PM »
You“re looking for a "Parade Phaeton" by Willoughby?

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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2010, 12:38:44 PM »
This is the most incredibly complex puzzle i've ever seen..... Am I the only one whose brain has been slightly fried by trying to work out what's going on here??  ???

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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2010, 12:56:37 PM »
You“re looking for a "Parade Phaeton" by Willoughby?

I am not sure if it's by Willoughby or LeBaron, or if the true denomination is "Parade Phaeton. But I am sure that it's a phaeton, in other words a convertible sedan.
This link is locked for you 24 hours.

@barrett: Not as complex as you think, maybe. For instance, a good guess at this link (N°8) and an identification of the man you can see in link 6 will unveil link 7, and so on.

Now once your brain has reached the right temperature, you could be able to finish solving this one by Otto.
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=13287.0
Take a look at his last "clues" (that's what he calls them., some nerves). That's what I call a brain frying puzzle!
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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2010, 01:46:43 PM »
uhmmm....This Lincoln is associated with a Song or something like a Movie too?
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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2010, 02:13:04 PM »
This is the most incredibly complex puzzle i've ever seen..... Am I the only one whose brain has been slightly fried by trying to work out what's going on here??  ???

You are not!  ;D

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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2010, 06:04:14 PM »
uhmmm....This Lincoln is associated with a Song or something like a Movie too?

I'd say you begin to know me. A movie, let's say (by the way, the song is great too. I've been looking for that record for years.)
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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2010, 07:37:40 AM »
Ah, at last I'm beginning to get my slightly fried brain around this puzzle.

I think I now see the significance of Ray's comment about "Character A (or C, it doesn't matter)". The series of links is symmetrical, and can be solved from either end.

So what happens at one end, happens in reverse at the other end.

I can't work out the middle yet, but going from the Lincoln Model K, the next link must be its hood ornament, which in this case is a greyhound.

Then the next link (vehicle) is a Greyhound bus.

And finally Character C is Carl Wickman, founder of Greyhound Lines Inc.

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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2010, 10:20:54 AM »
Fine thinking, Tom! This a symmetrical puzzle indeed, but I didn't fry my own brain enough to assemble this. So it's longer on one end than on the other.

Now the photo for the last character ( captioned Connection #1) does not come from the internet. But there are other ways to find who he is.
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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2010, 11:55:47 PM »
Any chance that Connection 1 is crime writer Robert B. Parker, who seems to basically have continued Raymond Chandler's work (and also created Spenser For Hire)?

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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2010, 05:32:46 AM »
Not Robert B. Parker, but you're on the right direction.
Here's what we have now:



Character A (or C, it doesn't matter): Christopher Jones (Joao), Captain of the Mayflower, played by Spencer Tracy (Otto Puzzell)
Link 1 (vehicle): The Mayflower (Joao)
Link 2:  Plymouth "Mayflower" hood ornament (Joao)
Link 3 (car):  1937 Plymouth DeLuxe Coupe (streamliner)
Link 4: High Sierra (streamliner)
Character B (picture "Connection 1):  ???       
Link 5: ???
Link 6 : John McIntire (Aaron 65)
Link 7: Honkytonk Man (Joao)
Link 8 (car) 1937 Lincoln Model K convertible sedan (Joao)
Link 9: Lincoln "greyhound" hood ornament (Tom_I)
Link 10 (vehicle): A Greyhound bus (Tom_I)
Character C: Carl Wickman, founder of Greyhound Lines Inc. (Tom_I)


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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #41 on: October 11, 2010, 08:32:42 AM »
Link #6 looks like actor John McIntire, from the movie Winchester '73 maybe???  He played Joe Lamont in that movie.

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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2010, 10:26:31 AM »
You've got a good eye. It's McIntire indeed in Winchester 73. And the link here is the actor, not this particular film.
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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #43 on: October 11, 2010, 11:16:57 AM »
John McIntire is buried in Lincoln County, Montana.

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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #44 on: October 11, 2010, 12:26:06 PM »
John McIntire played "Grandpa" in "Honkytonk Man"

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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #45 on: October 11, 2010, 04:12:14 PM »
He sure did. Now can you trace how he can be linked to "High Sierra"?
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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2010, 08:23:23 PM »
I'm going to take a stab at Link #5...How about John Huston, who directed McIntyre in The Asphalt Jungle, and also cowrote and directed High Sierra's screenplay, with W.R. Burnett...I'm not sure if Burnett is Character B though...I don't think so.

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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #47 on: October 13, 2010, 03:43:29 AM »
Aaron, you're almost home. Link#5 is "The Asphalt Jungle". But John Huston is not in the picture.
Here is another picture of Character B / Connection #1.
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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #48 on: October 13, 2010, 06:42:21 AM »
That's W.R. Burnett, who wrote High Sierra and co-wrote the screenplay for the film...

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Re: An obvious but quite distant connection
« Reply #49 on: October 13, 2010, 08:29:08 AM »
It sure is Burnett (who had lost some weight since the first photograph). This last one is the sole picture of him I could find on the internet.
So we can consider that the connection is established between Christopher Jones and Carl Wickman, with all the links found.

Character A (or C, it doesn't matter): Christopher Jones (Joao), Captain of the Mayflower, played by Spencer Tracy (Otto Puzzell)
Link 1 (vehicle): The Mayflower (Joao)
Link 2:  Plymouth "Mayflower" hood ornament (Joao)
Link 3 (car):  1937 Plymouth DeLuxe Coupe (streamliner)
Link 4: High Sierra (streamliner)
Character B:  William Riley Burnett (Aaron 65)      
Link 5: The Asphalt Jungle (Aaron 65)
Link 6 John McIntire(Aaron 65)
Link 7: Honkytonk Man (Joao)
Link 8 (car) 1937 Lincoln Model K convertible sedan (Joao)
Link 9: Lincoln "greyhound" hood ornament (Tom_I)
Link 10 (vehicle): A Greyhound bus (Tom_I)
Character C: Carl Wickman, founder of Greyhound Lines Inc. (Tom_I)

It's not gonna be easy for me to make the points count. For instance, I'd say that although Aaron 65 identified John McIntire he didn't explain wha t he was doing in this puzzle, something that was established by streamliner.
I'll think this over and will make a proposal later to all the puzzlers who helped put the pieces together.
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