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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2010 => Topic started by: 75america on August 02, 2010, 08:58:45 AM
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I would like to know what it is (no point will be awarded for this because it is to easy) and who converted it (for a point).
Because I don't know the converter myself, I need some proof before I can award the point
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Experts?
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I would like to know what it is (no point will be awarded for this because it is to easy) and who converted it (for a point).
Because I don't know the converter myself, I need some proof before I can award the point
Please don't be so smug and patronising. I haven't a f*ing clue what it is!
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Please don't be so smug and patronising. I haven't a f*ing clue what it is!
I understand that you might doubt between 2, possibly even 3 cars.
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I think it is an Opel Admiral - liftback conversion by Vogt Autotechnik ; I believe it was made for german television.
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I think it is an Opel Admiral - liftback conversion by Vogt Autotechnik ; I believe it was made for german television.
Not an Admiral, so only 1 possibility left.
Can you prove that it was made by Vogt Autotechnik?
I already looked for Vogt conversions, but I was not able to find this particular one.
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If the "easy" bit isn't an Opel Admiral, is it a Holden Statesman?
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Opel Kapitan (introduced in early 1969)?
Not sure about the converter (I have the self same photo but unfortunately there is no caption)
I'll keep searching........
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It is indeed a Kapitän
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Pro's?
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This Opel Kapitän was converted to a kind of fastback Coupé by Karosseriefabrik Wender (NOT Wendler), located at Berlin-Charlottenburg.
I do not know more and it would be great to get any additional information about the coachbuilding company.
I suppose we both have the same book... ;)
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I have another book in which it says that it is by Vogt and it was made for ZDF. They also did a Diplomat. I'll post a scan tonight when I get home.
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This is definitly not the Vogt version.
Have a closer look at the rear end.
The Wender version has a breaking line at the middle of its rear end and the huge trunk lid includes the rear screen.
The roof-mounted hinges can be seen clearly in the Wender-pic on top of this puzzle.
The Vogt (Be it Admiral, Kapitän or Diplomat) had a straigt fastback line and a small standard-type trunk lid as can be seen here:
The bottom picture shows the WENDER Kapitän again. I´ve scanned it again from my source.
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Still out there:
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I tend to believe grobmotorix that it is indeed a Wender conversion, but until now, no clear evidence is given...
I also wonder if the car on the pics that PJ published are one and the same car. That one 'says' (in the more recent script) Admiral and has a dual exhaust. Things that are, of course, easy to modify.
And it has also the newer (1972) front.
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One gear back, guys!
My fault, I´ve mixed up two subtitles in the book where I´ve found the puzzle pic, too....
:bag:
I´m sure now this is indeed a second Vogt version of the K-A-D Opels (Kapitän/Admiral/Diplomat).
So the point has to go to 75america in my eyes. He´s given it the name "Vogt" first.
Please excuse this blunder. To satisfy your autopuzzler´s minds, you may like this K-A-D puzzle, I´ve placed as a kind of compensation some minutes ago:
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=14281.0
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So the point has to go to 75america in my eyes. He´s given it the name "Vogt" first.
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=14281.0
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g106/pan1968/Gifs/h.gif) Err... 75america was the author of this puzzle, I don't think he deserves a point for this. ;D
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I think it is an Opel Admiral - liftback conversion by Vogt Autotechnik ; I believe it was made for german television.
;)
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Err...Franck, of course... :shiner:
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=>
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=14281.0
Now I drive an unreliable and expensive 1997 Alfa GTV
>:(
Mine is rock solid and inexpensive :)
And back on topic: I believe that I will award the point to franck.kegelart because he first came up with Vogt.
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Mine came from Belgium and it IS a cost nightmare...
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Mine came from Belgium and it IS a cost nightmare...
1997 is a series 1 => better to avoid the first (1995-1997) series.
Is it a 2.0 T. Spark? => Better avoid the Fiat T.Spark engines (my 75 with the orginal Alfa 2.0 T. Spark was, how predictable, rock solid and inexpensive as well)
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Back to Opels now ;)
No new photo's but this time with captions from the 1987 book: 125 Jahre Opel: Autos und Technik, by Hans-Jürgen Schneider
The car on the puzzle photo has a plate that ends at 761, the one on my photo ends at 764. Could this mean that at least 4 were built?
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The car on the puzzle photo has a plate that ends at 761, the one on my photo ends at 764. Could this mean that at least 4 were built?
MZ stands for Mainz, where the ZDF (second german television) is located. So in my eyes it is most likely that there were at least MZ-MZ 761, 762 763 and 764.
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With opened hatch:
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According to the latest edition of Der Zuverlässige (the Alt-Opel-IG magazine) Vogt built around 20 Admiral hatchbacks and around 150 Admiral fastbacks with a bootlid. (I think the second number to be too high, though.) Further more they built 3 Diplomat fastbacks (cf. Reply #12). Going by the puzzle picture some hatchbacks must have been a Kapitän instead of an Admiral.
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A brochure and a view into the car's back showing the upright position of the spare wheel and the division window: