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Solved - Whatisthiscar #12 1911 Empire 20
« on: July 26, 2009, 07:56:31 AM »
Do you know what this car is?



Thank you for looking and good luck with your guesses.

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Re: Whatisthiscar #12
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2009, 08:27:49 AM »
Experts, do you know?

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Re: Whatisthiscar #12
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2009, 03:55:17 AM »
Professionals?

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Re: Whatisthiscar #12
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2009, 09:13:37 AM »
A clue....

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Re: Whatisthiscar #12
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2009, 10:13:27 AM »
I think we can rule out "Bricklin"!  ;D

OK, since I'm here anyway... British?
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Re: Whatisthiscar #12
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2009, 10:28:16 AM »
It's not British, Bricklin is closer geographically.

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Re: Whatisthiscar #12
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2009, 10:48:03 AM »
From the Americas?
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Re: Whatisthiscar #12
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2009, 10:57:13 AM »

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Re: Whatisthiscar #12
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2009, 01:19:29 PM »
South America?
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Re: Whatisthiscar #12
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2009, 01:57:10 PM »
Not South America.

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Re: Whatisthiscar #12
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2009, 01:58:23 PM »
Canada?

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Re: Whatisthiscar #12
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2009, 02:00:32 PM »
Not Canada.

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Re: Whatisthiscar #12
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2009, 02:08:33 PM »
USA?

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Re: Whatisthiscar #12
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2009, 02:09:10 PM »
Yes!

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Re: Whatisthiscar #12
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2009, 02:16:24 PM »
So is "pile of bricks" supposed to give us a hint about the name?

Is it maybe "stone" something?
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Re: Whatisthiscar #12
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2009, 02:17:06 PM »
Kind of pun? Briggs (Bricks!) -Detroiter?

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Re: Whatisthiscar #12
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2009, 02:26:23 PM »
Maybe my clue was a bit too obscure, it's got nothing to do with the name of the car and it's not a pun, but a place that is famous for its bricks has a significance in the companies history.

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Re: Whatisthiscar #12
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2009, 03:22:12 PM »
Stewartby? ;D
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Re: Whatisthiscar #12
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2009, 01:40:41 AM »
Circa 1910 Empire 20 "B" model ?

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Re: Whatisthiscar #12
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2009, 03:08:14 AM »
Stewartby? ;D
Nothing to do with Stewartby in Bedfordshire, but I know where you are coming from!

Circa 1910 Empire 20 "B" model ?
Yes! I had this as a 1911 Empire Eagle, but comparing pictures it looks like it is the same type of car.
One point for you.

An Empire was apparently the first type of car to drive on the Indianapolis Brickyard.

An Interesting piece of American automotive history....

"In 1909 four of the biggest names in Indianapolis, Arthur Newby - President of the National Car Co., Carl Fisher President of Prest-O-Lite, James Allison of Allison Aircraft and Engineer Robert Hassler later aided by Harry C Stutz, teamed together to build a sprightly, altogether admirable 20h.p. four cylinder $800 car that would be nicknamed "The Little Aristocrat".

Unfortunately three of them, together with Frank H Wheeler of Wheeler-Schebler also decided to build an oval racetrack in town. After a disastrous start and the subsequent bricking of the track, the Empire had its brief moment of glory being the first car driven on the brick oval". "The Empire was a saucy looking car - and looked as cute as a bug - unfortunately Stutz left Empire to build the famous Stutz cars which soundly beat the Empire at the oval"

You can see that this car clearly influenced the Stutz Bearcat.