Solved - PN #01: Globea by Gábor Schumits, cca 1947

pnegyesi · September 02, 2009, 08:03:29 AM

Ladies and gentle people! I now have 20 points, which enables me to post new puzzles for you.

Here's my first new puzzle.

There are two questions, so I can award two points:
- tell me the brands which donated their chassis and engines
- tell me the name of the builder, the name of the car and the year when it was built.

faksta · September 02, 2009, 08:44:55 AM

Well... Is it Hungarian?

pnegyesi · September 02, 2009, 08:47:36 AM

Yes, but it won't help you much

faksta · September 02, 2009, 08:55:10 AM

To me it looks like a redesigned 8-cylinder Alfa Romeo, if we speak about a donor car.

pnegyesi · September 02, 2009, 09:30:59 AM

Well, the guy who built it, loved Alfa Romeos, but no, to my best knowledge only a few minor tidbits came from an Alfa. Its main donor was something else.

faksta · September 02, 2009, 04:44:35 PM

As far as I can judge Bugattis were quite popular on Hungarian racing scene in those years. Could it be Bugatti based?

pnegyesi · September 03, 2009, 12:53:12 AM

Yes, one point for you !

Now, anyone with a name?

faksta · September 05, 2009, 01:26:34 AM

A shot in the dark, but is it in any way related to Laszlo Hartmann?

pnegyesi · September 05, 2009, 01:37:52 AM

I can't say no, but that relation is very, very thin

faksta · September 05, 2009, 01:44:34 AM

It looks younger than the car Hartmann could buy from Tivadar Zichy, but maybe the latter could have another Bugatti later? My guess would be Count Zichy.

pnegyesi · September 05, 2009, 04:28:33 AM

No, it's got nothing to do with Count Zichy. As I said the relation is very thin.

250gto · September 14, 2009, 04:20:34 AM

Bit of a guess but is it the PBM? (I always assumed it was Italian but I suppose it could be Hungarian)

pnegyesi · September 14, 2009, 04:41:33 AM

No, it's not a PBM. I haven't heard about PBM before.

250gto · September 14, 2009, 04:53:28 AM

Quote from: pnegyesi on September 14, 2009, 04:41:33 AM
No, it's not a PBM. I haven't heard about PBM before.

It was built in 1932 by a Count Premoli. It had a Bugatti T51 chassis and body with a 2.8 litre Maserati engine and radiator grill. Having just looked into it a little further it was Italian and not Hungarian.

pnegyesi · September 26, 2009, 01:40:25 AM

Yep, this car was definitely built in Hungary after the 2nd World War.

pnegyesi · September 26, 2009, 04:39:05 AM

Pros?

faksta · September 26, 2009, 05:57:36 AM

Did this car take part in any major events like Grand Prix's?

pnegyesi · September 26, 2009, 06:28:40 AM

"major" as in international races - no
At that time when it was built, there were no big autosport events in Hungary, but yes, this car was built to participate at those events which occured.

pnegyesi · October 04, 2009, 10:20:35 AM

A clue: his name appears on this page:
http://www.mnasz.hu/mnasz.php?id=2202

pnegyesi · October 04, 2009, 12:13:20 PM

I said the name of the builder

Tattersall is the place where the 1st car exhibition took place in 1901.

No, I don't think the clue is too much

Paul Jaray · October 04, 2009, 12:16:12 PM

QuoteTattersall?
(isn't this clue too much?)

You're right, there are a lot of names, there!

pnegyesi · October 21, 2009, 05:42:07 AM

I just found an article today where it says that the chassis was later rebodied to become a Formula Jr racer with a Lancia engine.

I think this was foolish of me to feature this car in a puzzle. This has only been featured in a Hungarian magazine way back in the late 1940s. How on Earth will you find out what is this

?

Paul Jaray · October 21, 2009, 05:56:05 AM

Ferenc Kozma, Ferec Kiss, Tibor Széles, András Wimmer, László Bognár, Ferenc Demmel, Gábor Schumits.
Is he in this list?
If he is, I'll look for the one, if he is not, I'll look for more...

pnegyesi · October 21, 2009, 07:27:20 AM

Yes, he's on this list

Paul Jaray · October 21, 2009, 07:44:35 AM

I'm narrowing down the list...2 are out, since one drove a modified Fiat and one a Wartburg...still working on it...BTW, László Bognár?

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Solved - PN #01: Globea by Gábor Schumits, cca 1947