AutoPuzzles - The Internet's Museum of Rare Cars!
Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2009 => Topic started by: pnegyesi on September 02, 2009, 08:03:29 AM
-
Ladies and gentle people! I now have 20 points, which enables me to post new puzzles for you.
Here's my first new puzzle.
There are two questions, so I can award two points:
- tell me the brands which donated their chassis and engines
- tell me the name of the builder, the name of the car and the year when it was built.
-
Well... Is it Hungarian?
-
Yes, but it won't help you much :)
-
To me it looks like a redesigned 8-cylinder Alfa Romeo, if we speak about a donor car.
-
Well, the guy who built it, loved Alfa Romeos, but no, to my best knowledge only a few minor tidbits came from an Alfa. Its main donor was something else.
-
As far as I can judge Bugattis were quite popular on Hungarian racing scene in those years. Could it be Bugatti based?
-
Yes, one point for you !
Now, anyone with a name?
-
A shot in the dark, but is it in any way related to Laszlo Hartmann?
-
I can't say no, but that relation is very, very thin
-
It looks younger than the car Hartmann could buy from Tivadar Zichy, but maybe the latter could have another Bugatti later? My guess would be Count Zichy.
-
No, it's got nothing to do with Count Zichy. As I said the relation is very thin.
-
Bit of a guess but is it the PBM? (I always assumed it was Italian but I suppose it could be Hungarian)
-
No, it's not a PBM. I haven't heard about PBM before.
-
No, it's not a PBM. I haven't heard about PBM before.
It was built in 1932 by a Count Premoli. It had a Bugatti T51 chassis and body with a 2.8 litre Maserati engine and radiator grill. Having just looked into it a little further it was Italian and not Hungarian.
-
Yep, this car was definitely built in Hungary after the 2nd World War.
-
Pros?
-
Did this car take part in any major events like Grand Prix's?
-
"major" as in international races - no
At that time when it was built, there were no big autosport events in Hungary, but yes, this car was built to participate at those events which occured.
-
A clue: his name appears on this page:
http://www.mnasz.hu/mnasz.php?id=2202
-
I said the name of the builder :)
Tattersall is the place where the 1st car exhibition took place in 1901.
No, I don't think the clue is too much
-
Tattersall?
(isn't this clue too much?)
You're right, there are a lot of names, there!
-
I just found an article today where it says that the chassis was later rebodied to become a Formula Jr racer with a Lancia engine.
I think this was foolish of me to feature this car in a puzzle. This has only been featured in a Hungarian magazine way back in the late 1940s. How on Earth will you find out what is this :huh:?
-
Ferenc Kozma, Ferec Kiss, Tibor Széles, András Wimmer, László Bognár, Ferenc Demmel, Gábor Schumits.
Is he in this list?
If he is, I'll look for the one, if he is not, I'll look for more...
-
Yes, he's on this list
-
I'm narrowing down the list...2 are out, since one drove a modified Fiat and one a Wartburg...still working on it...BTW, László Bognár?
-
Maybe you're right saying 2 are out, but there is always a possibility one could drive several cars during his career.
-
Not László Bognár.
-
Then I'll go for Tibor Széles.
-
Not him.
Tibor Széles worked at State-owned Car Repairshop Number 4 and drove a 1930s Maserati and he had a hand in the creation of the "Kis Négyes" (Small Number 4), a Formula III racecar.
Here's a picture from 1957, Tibor Széles and his Maserati is visible at the right side.
The man who built this puzzle car worked at Car Reiparshop Number 5
-
Ferenc Demmel aslo drove Formula 2 and 3 cars...can't find a Lancia based Formula Junior...
-
Not Ferenc Demmel.
Demmel worked at Car Repairshop Number 2
In 1948-1949 when private companies were taken over by the state (sometimes using force), all previous car dealers and repairshops were reorganized. This is when a chain of State-Owned Car Repairshops were set up. As part of their activities these workshops also built racecars in the early 1950s.
The guy, who built our puzzle car, built his prototype before this change took place and later on he worked at a Repairshop.
-
How is the hungarian word for Repairshop? javítóműhely?
(next guess: Ferenc Kozma, who drove also Fiat-based cars...)
-
Repairshop is javítóműhely. The full Hungarian name was Állami Autójavító Vállalat (Vállalat is Company, Autójavító is Car-Repair, Állami is State-owned) and a number.
Ferenc Kozma, no he drove the "Little Three" Formula III racer and he was quite good at it.
-
Here's a picture from 1957, Tibor Széles and his Maserati is visible at the right side.
Magnificent shot!! :applause: Is it Városliget?
-
Yes, this was taken at the edge of Városliget where the usual yearly Grand Prix took place
-
Ferec Kiss?
-
That's Ferenc (that'd be Franz in German)
But, no, not him
-
Yes, it was too difficult: my first puzzle needs to go to a dark place.
-
András Wimmer?
-
András Wimmer raced a BMW 328 and he was one of the best drivers of the early 1950s. But no, it's not him
-
It must be Gábor Schumits, then.
-
:) Yes, Gábor Schumits built this car cca 1947.
Will you make a guess about the name or should I reveal it? It was named after his two daughters: Gloria and Elisabeth
and it had something to do with the Earth...
-
With your clues, the name was not so hard after all, given the fact that I tried each possibility befor the right one!
-
No, I meant the name of the car. Schumits gave a name to this car. Would you like to have a go, or should I reveal it?
-
I meant that, for the car, it was quite easy after all because there was a ,relatively, short list to choose from...but for the model name, It's a totally different matter...
..probably someone can find it, I already tried with no luck.
-
It is not available on the internet. Anyone, would like to try his luck? Here's the hint again: "It was named after his two daughters: Gloria and Elisabeth (nicknamed Bea) and it had something to do with the Earth..."
-
something like 'Global' ?
-
something like Global...
-
Globeau? ;D
-
almost that. Just a tiny bit shorter
-
Globea or simply Globe? Probably he didn't want to wrong any of his kids, so my favor is rather 'Globea' with the same number of letters for each daughter...
-
And with that, this one is solved! One point for PJ and another for Allemano
Yes, this is the Globea from around 1947. Built by Gábor Schumits. It turned out that actually the chassis was called Globea, which later was rebodied and re-engined.
I won't post any more one-off Hungarian specials though :)
-
Schumits with his Globea, cca 1953