Author Topic: Solved by Als15, Carnut & Pnegyesi -PJ231- Etceterini Madness (Read 7280 times)

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #50 on:** October 05, 2009, 08:28:49 AM »

#12 not a Bandini

faksta · « **Reply #51 on:** October 05, 2009, 08:38:41 AM »

#12 is very familiar looking. It was made by quite a famous among etceterini make?

pnegyesi · « **Reply #52 on:** October 05, 2009, 08:40:33 AM »

No 11 looks like a Moretti 600 cabriolet turned into a barchetta.

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #53 on:** October 05, 2009, 08:43:47 AM »

#12 is the less known of the 3, but I found a pic of this very car in a very well known site.
#11 not a Moretti...

Carnut · « **Reply #54 on:** October 06, 2009, 09:16:08 AM »

Here is the basis for me saying I thought #7 looks like a Gilco.
Is the book wrong (as they have been known to be...) or is it really a Gilco?
Why is it so similar to the Mardal?

Carnut · « **Reply #55 on:** October 06, 2009, 11:49:02 AM »

Still trying to get my computer to download the actual picture acc my last post rather than the file!

In the meantime:

Might #10 be a Lancia Ardea Pasqualini?
And is #12 a Becherini Sport?

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #56 on:** October 06, 2009, 12:59:26 PM »

#10 not Pasqualini or Lancia
#12 not Becherini

The MarDal has a Gilco chassis, a Giannini G1 engine and a Fontana body, under one book it's under the Marzotto name (!)

faksta · « **Reply #57 on:** October 06, 2009, 05:32:19 PM »

That's because MarDal means 'Marzotto - Dal Moro'.

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #58 on:** October 06, 2009, 05:43:41 PM »

Yes, but you can find several names for the same car, this one has a Giannini badge, but it's not a Giannini, a Fontana body, etc...

faksta · « **Reply #59 on:** October 06, 2009, 05:58:24 PM »

That's a typical situation with etceterini

Carnut · « **Reply #60 on:** October 07, 2009, 04:18:25 AM »

Quote from: Paul Jaray on October 06, 2009, 12:59:26 PM

#10 not Pasqualini or Lancia

Must say you have surprised me there PJ!
Below are pictures of your #7 and a Pasqualini and they do look identical to me. I've filled in the grille a bit on the Pasqualini for comparison but check out the shape of the grille opening; the headlight position; the badge; the bonnet scoop and bonnet opening; the air outlet behind the front wheel arch; the depth of the door opening; the wheelarches; the windscreen. They're all identical!

If you say it's not a Pasqualini then it's not a Pasqualini but whatever it is they both seem to have used the same body!

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #61 on:** October 07, 2009, 06:18:05 AM »

The car in my picture is the same as yours, same plate number.
The badge on my car is different, and it's a very well known one.
I read my book and there's not a Pasqualin like this (but not a Stanguellini either but there are so many of those...).
There is indeed another car, by Parisotto, who built similar cars starting from Pasqualin's 750 chassis.
You get one point for finding this car, but I'm not sure about its identity now...

pnegyesi · « **Reply #62 on:** October 07, 2009, 06:38:37 AM »

This car, with a full name: Paqualin Parisotto is said to be based on a Lancia Ardea and features a 900 cc engine. It was entered into the 2007 Le Mitche Sport a Bassano event by Giorgio and Silvia Bandini.

Here's another Pasqualin, which is quite different - it is based on a Fiat and features a Giannini 750 cc engine:

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #63 on:** October 07, 2009, 06:47:21 AM »

Your picture shows Armando Pasqualin at the Catania-Etna in 1950.

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #64 on:** October 07, 2009, 07:37:43 AM »

#1 - Fortunati Sport 1950 Carnut
#2 - Leone Fiat 1100 Sport als15
#3 - Minardi MG75 1948 als15
#4 - Gilco 1100 S Mantovani 1956 pnegyesi
#5 - Nardi-Danese Baby Sport 750 Carnut
#6 - Minutolo Fiat 1100 Sport als15
#7 - MarDal Fiat 750 Sport 1951 pnegyesi
#8 - Vendrame fiat 500a sport 1938 Carnut & pnegyesi
#9 - Ortolani 750 Sport 1949 pnegyesi
#10 - Pasqualin Ardea Sport (or a Stanguellini?) Carnut
#11 -

(you'll be surprise)
#12 -

(this car is on the net)
Bonus- CFM 750 Sport als15

Carnut · « **Reply #65 on:** October 07, 2009, 07:41:44 AM »

Wheels of #11 look very Siata-ish, but the grille looks more Stanguellini..
Is it a Siata?

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #66 on:** October 07, 2009, 07:49:39 AM »

Not a Siata

Carnut · « **Reply #67 on:** October 07, 2009, 07:59:41 AM »

Maybe #12 is a Siata then!
How about a Daina Gran Sport 1500?

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #68 on:** October 07, 2009, 08:03:24 AM »

#11 has a big clue in the pic.
#12 not a Siata...

Carnut · « **Reply #69 on:** October 07, 2009, 08:46:54 AM »

Quote from: Paul Jaray on October 07, 2009, 08:03:24 AM

#11 has a big clue in the pic.

Is it a Stanguellini?

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #70 on:** October 07, 2009, 09:08:31 AM »

Not a Stanguellini.

als15 · « **Reply #71 on:** October 07, 2009, 09:57:36 AM »

#11: quite sure it's based on a Fiat 500 Topolino: sport rims like those were very diffused on this type of car. If the clue is the emblem, his triangular shape in that time would suggest Monviso, but it maken't so much sense.

I try another crazy hypotesys, because I remember I've already seen it but can't say where: first barchetta made by Ferruccio Lamborghini?

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #72 on:** October 07, 2009, 10:13:10 AM »

That's it, the first car by Ferruccio Lamborghini himself, reported as an Ala d'Oro, but built by him as his son discovered after a long research. This is a recreation made by him according to the period pictures.
This car raced the 1948 Mille Miglia with the numbers visible in the pic, with Lamborghini at the wheel.
Ferruccio modified another Topolino in 1947, but was sold to build this one. The 1st car was not an original creation, but a slightly modified Topolino.

Carnut · « **Reply #73 on:** October 08, 2009, 10:47:25 AM »

Is #12 a Fiat?
Maybe an 1100 Spyder with bodywork by Touring or Zagato?

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #74 on:** October 08, 2009, 02:21:42 PM »

#12 is a Fiat 1100 but not by Touring nor Zagato.

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