Author Topic: Solved by Als15, Carnut & Pnegyesi -PJ231- Etceterini Madness (Read 7164 times)

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #25 on:** October 01, 2009, 09:32:01 AM »

You will get a point both, you being the 1st to name it and pnegyesi for diggin more and finding the details.
I found a pic of the Zanussi and it is slightly different...

Carnut · « **Reply #26 on:** October 01, 2009, 09:33:53 AM »

I think pnegyesi was right first time with #7.
It's a Giannini Sport 750 from 1951?

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #27 on:** October 01, 2009, 09:40:54 AM »

Giannini is not the name I'm looking for, but the engine is a Giannini one.

Carnut · « **Reply #28 on:** October 01, 2009, 09:52:16 AM »

And would #3 be a Fiordelisi Sport 1100 from 1949?

Carnut · « **Reply #29 on:** October 01, 2009, 09:56:58 AM »

Quote from: Paul Jaray on October 01, 2009, 09:40:54 AM

Giannini is not the name I'm looking for, but the engine is a Giannini one.

So it must therefore be a Giaur 500? Or failing that a Giaur 750!

pnegyesi · « **Reply #30 on:** October 01, 2009, 10:15:17 AM »

Hmmmm, I have a book on Giannini but this car is not in there. And I have never seen a Giaur like this. So how about Taraschi?

Carnut · « **Reply #31 on:** October 01, 2009, 10:19:48 AM »

Was just going to suggest that myself!
Taraschi 750 Sport is a possibility!

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #32 on:** October 01, 2009, 10:28:14 AM »

#3 Not a Fiordelisi
#7 Not a Giaur-Taraschi-Urania.

Carnut · « **Reply #33 on:** October 01, 2009, 12:12:34 PM »

So is #7 a Stanguellini? 750 Sport again?!

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #34 on:** October 01, 2009, 12:14:31 PM »

#7 Not a Stanguellini...

Carnut · « **Reply #35 on:** October 01, 2009, 12:27:31 PM »

Quote from: Paul Jaray on October 01, 2009, 12:14:31 PM

#7 Not a Stanguellini...

Bandini then?!

pnegyesi · « **Reply #36 on:** October 01, 2009, 12:35:11 PM »

That Giannini-powered thing, can that be the Grousset special?

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #37 on:** October 01, 2009, 12:44:56 PM »

#7 not a Bandini or Grousset

als15 · « **Reply #38 on:** October 01, 2009, 02:22:45 PM »

#3 Minardi 750 (1948)
#11 Siata 750 (Fiat Topolino chassis, body by Motto)

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #39 on:** October 01, 2009, 02:41:18 PM »

#3 Minardi MG75 1948 is correct.
#11 is not a Siata...

pnegyesi · « **Reply #40 on:** October 01, 2009, 02:49:34 PM »

etc4 looks like Fiat Gilco 1100 Sport MM - 1949

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #41 on:** October 01, 2009, 03:05:29 PM »

Quote from: pnegyesi on October 01, 2009, 02:49:34 PM

etc4 looks like Fiat Gilco 1100 Sport MM - 1949

Very good!
This is indeed a Gilco Fiat 1100 S, that raced the Mille Miglia in 1951, 1954 and 1955 in its siluro configuration designed by Sergio Mantovani and built by the Bartolomeo Barbero's Carrozzeria (CBC).
The car was later prepared in this barchetta configuration for the 1956 Mille Miglia. The car was first registered in 1949 and technically speaking it's not a Gilco, since Gilco was a tubular chassis-builder (thanks als15 for reminding me that).

#1 - Fortunati Sport 1950 Carnut
#2 - Leone Fiat 1100 Sport als15
#3 - Minardi MG75 1948 als15
#4 - Gilco 1100 S Mantovani 1956 pnegyesi
#5 - Nardi-Danese Baby Sport 750 Carnut
#6 - Minutolo Fiat 1100 Sport als15
#8 - Vendrame fiat 500a sport 1938 Carnut & pnegyesi
#9 - Ortolani 750 Sport 1949 pnegyesi
Bonus- CFM 750 Sport als15

pnegyesi · « **Reply #42 on:** October 01, 2009, 11:43:43 PM »

etc7 is really tricky, but I have every reason to believe that I found it: MarDal 750 from 1950 by Umberto Marzotto and Nicolo dal Moro. It used a Giannini tuned 748 cc engine, Gilco parts and body made by Fontana di Padova.

This puzzle would be so much easier with often-mentioned the book on Etcetrinis. Now it is up to me and my best friend, Google, to find these beautiful creatures

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #43 on:** October 02, 2009, 05:31:34 AM »

You got it!
About the book:
It's a great book indeed, but it won't help much in this puzzle: some of these are not reported (Fortunati,others unguessed), many of these are in a different configuration and you can recognize them if you already knew them (Nardi, Gilco, MarDal) and other are taken in recent events so the pictures are different from the usual period ones.
You are doing an incredible work, since I was sure that this one was a very hard one. The left ones are the easiest (all but one) in my opinion and when they'll be discovered you'll see!

#1 - Fortunati Sport 1950 Carnut
#2 - Leone Fiat 1100 Sport als15
#3 - Minardi MG75 1948 als15
#4 - Gilco 1100 S Mantovani 1956 pnegyesi
#5 - Nardi-Danese Baby Sport 750 Carnut
#6 - Minutolo Fiat 1100 Sport als15
#7 - MarDal Fiat 750 Sport 1951 pnegyesi
#8 - Vendrame fiat 500a sport 1938 Carnut & pnegyesi
#9 - Ortolani 750 Sport 1949 pnegyesi
Bonus- CFM 750 Sport als15

Time to move it for the pros?

pnegyesi · « **Reply #44 on:** October 05, 2009, 07:27:01 AM »

Do you think the remaining three are available on the web or do we have to focus on books instead?

faksta · « **Reply #45 on:** October 05, 2009, 07:36:45 AM »

Quote from: Paul Jaray on October 02, 2009, 05:31:34 AM

#7 - MarDal Fiat 750 Sport 1951 pnegyesi

(Although it still looks different from what I've seen on the attached picture)

Carnut · « **Reply #46 on:** October 05, 2009, 07:47:23 AM »

#7 looked much more like a Gilco to me, I must say.
They all seem to have used pretty much the same body in those days with minor differences!

Paul Jaray · « **Reply #47 on:** October 05, 2009, 07:59:45 AM »

Quote from: pnegyesi on October 05, 2009, 07:27:01 AM

Do you think the remaining three are available on the web or do we have to focus on books instead?

All these pictures comes from magazines or books, (not that book 'La Sport e i suoi artigiani') but the hardest ones are over.
Only one of these can be a bit obscure, but other 2 are well, well known.

Carnut · « **Reply #48 on:** October 05, 2009, 08:14:19 AM »

Could #12 be a Bandini 1100?

pnegyesi · « **Reply #49 on:** October 05, 2009, 08:19:47 AM »

This was my basis for identifying the Mardal:

There's no wind-deflector aerodynamic thing behind the driver - but many other specials had that.

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