Author Topic: Solved by Als15, Carnut & Pnegyesi -PJ231- Etceterini Madness  (Read 7161 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Solved by Als15, Carnut & Pnegyesi -PJ231- Etceterini Madness
« on: September 30, 2009, 06:08:43 AM »
You think you know them all?
1 point for each correct ID.
1 point for the bonus car.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2017, 09:47:18 AM by Paul Jaray »

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2009, 06:16:36 AM »
Be quick, I'll move this to the expert, very soon!

Offline als15

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 2662
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 196
  • Fiat Author
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • Società Editrice Il Cammello
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2009, 09:39:16 AM »
Give at least one evening...
The wide part seems to be based on a Fiat Topolino, so it is my stuff.

Just from my desk, without using any book support and only my memory, I try with #2: is it a Marinella Testadoro by Casa dell'Auto?

Offline als15

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 2662
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 196
  • Fiat Author
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • Società Editrice Il Cammello
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2009, 09:42:57 AM »
#6: a Fiat 1100-based sport made by Antimo Minutolo?

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2009, 10:55:40 AM »
Wow, you just picked up one of the hardest ones!
#6 - Minutolo Fiat 1100 Sport  als15
We already had the Testadoro:
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=4143.25
but it's not here.

Offline als15

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 2662
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 196
  • Fiat Author
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • Società Editrice Il Cammello
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2009, 12:52:02 PM »
Of course the Testadoro is smaller... This is a sport made in 1949 by Officine Elettromeccaniche Vincenzo Leone in Turin, Fiat 1100 engine and tubular chassis derived by Cisitalia, whose development ing. Leone contributed in the previous years.

How is the rule for the bonus? Can I answer or have to wait until all are cleared?
« Last Edit: September 30, 2009, 12:57:26 PM by als15 »

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2009, 01:21:07 PM »
#2 is correct!
I consider it a bonus since I think it will be quite easy.
You can guess it freely.

Offline als15

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 2662
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 196
  • Fiat Author
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • Società Editrice Il Cammello
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2009, 01:30:49 PM »
Ok. So it's the CFM 750, made in Mestre (near Venice) in 1949 using a war-scrap VW Kubelwagen engine with reduced displacement.

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2009, 02:01:15 PM »
#2 -           Leone Fiat 1100 Sport        als15
#6 -           Minutolo Fiat 1100 Sport    als15
Bonus-    CFM 750 Sport                      als15

The CFM was not easy, but it is featured in the cover of a well known book, 'La Sport e i suoi Artigiani', that's why it was less obscure.   

Offline als15

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 2662
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 196
  • Fiat Author
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • Società Editrice Il Cammello
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2009, 06:36:20 PM »
And this is indeed the reason why I know it even if it isn't Fiat-based.  ;)

So it seems I've got three more points...

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2009, 06:44:22 PM »
You have, but the group puzzles ...get paid...at the end!

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2009, 04:09:00 AM »
To the Experts!

Scores so far:

#2 -           Leone Fiat 1100 Sport        als15
#6 -           Minutolo Fiat 1100 Sport    als15
Bonus-    CFM 750 Sport                      als15

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40956
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2009, 04:46:19 AM »
#5 is the very first Nardi-Danese - and that's both Nardi and Danese standing next to it!
#1: Fortunati Sport 1950
#8: Vendrame Sport 1938
#9: Ortolini Sport 750 (1949)
« Last Edit: October 01, 2009, 05:35:43 AM by Carnut »
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2009, 04:47:46 AM »
Correct, can you name it?
Locked for you till your next reply...
(consider that it's the first, so it's very young...)

Offline pnegyesi

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 30177
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 1179
  • Our Pal
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • Motoring Museums' Lighthouse
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2009, 05:01:00 AM »
So No5 is locked. I hope not the whole topic is locked!

No9: 1949 Ortolani Sport, powered by a 750 cc engine
https://rareandunique.media - Rare&Unique Vehicles magazine
http://magyarjarmu.hu - detailed Hungarian motoring history (Hungarian language)
http://automuseums.info - motoring museums' guide

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2009, 05:08:18 AM »
Correct!
only #5 is locked for Carnut.
 So far:
#2 -           Leone Fiat 1100 Sport        als15
#5 -           Nardi-Danese  ??             Carnut
#6 -           Minutolo Fiat 1100 Sport    als15
#9 -           Ortolani 750 Sport 1949     pnegyesi
Bonus-     CFM 750 Sport                      als15

Offline pnegyesi

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 30177
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 1179
  • Our Pal
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • Motoring Museums' Lighthouse
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2009, 05:35:59 AM »
etc8 is the Vendrame Sport from 1938
https://rareandunique.media - Rare&Unique Vehicles magazine
http://magyarjarmu.hu - detailed Hungarian motoring history (Hungarian language)
http://automuseums.info - motoring museums' guide

Offline pnegyesi

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 30177
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 1179
  • Our Pal
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • Motoring Museums' Lighthouse
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2009, 05:42:58 AM »
etc7 is probably a Giannini Sport from 1951

etc7 is a Stanga Sport from 1956
« Last Edit: October 01, 2009, 05:46:30 AM by pnegyesi »
https://rareandunique.media - Rare&Unique Vehicles magazine
http://magyarjarmu.hu - detailed Hungarian motoring history (Hungarian language)
http://automuseums.info - motoring museums' guide

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40956
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2009, 05:53:04 AM »
Correct, can you name it?
Locked for you till your next reply...
(consider that it's the first, so it's very young...)


Nardi-Danese 750 BMW?
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40956
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2009, 05:57:01 AM »
And don't forget my identification of #1 as a Fortunati Sport 1950!
I was busy editing my post whilst pnegyesi was posting so unfortunately I seem to have missed out on the others!
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2009, 06:46:02 AM »
these cars are racing again!
I have to check the time of your replies (and the edited versions) to understand who found what!
Tell me if I go wrong:
#1 - Fortunati Sport 1950                                    Carnut  (how did you get this!!)
#2 - Leone Fiat 1100 Sport                                   als15
#5 - Nardi-Danese Baby Sport 750                Carnut     
#6 - Minutolo Fiat 1100 Sport                               als15
#9 - Ortolani 750 Sport 1949                        pnegyesi

Gentlemen, you are amazing. Carnut and Pnegyesi found #8 at few seconds (16!) one from the other. I'm sure tha both of them knew it and Pnegyesi (who arrived 2nd) deserves another canche: this car was indeed made by Vendrame on a Fiat-base, but the engine is missing and most important, the person the car is named after!

#7 not a Stanga
#8 Locked for Carnut and Pnegyesi
« Last Edit: October 01, 2009, 06:59:21 AM by Paul Jaray »

Offline pnegyesi

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 30177
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 1179
  • Our Pal
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • Motoring Museums' Lighthouse
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2009, 08:38:49 AM »
Vendrame: Tullio Vendrame who worked in Mareno di Piave (Treviso) Basis is a Fiat 500A bored out to 626 cc
https://rareandunique.media - Rare&Unique Vehicles magazine
http://magyarjarmu.hu - detailed Hungarian motoring history (Hungarian language)
http://automuseums.info - motoring museums' guide

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2009, 08:51:49 AM »
Vendrame is correct, but he made the bodywork for the cars prepared by another man. I'm looking for his name.
(One of his cars run the original Mille Miglia in the 50s)

Offline Paul Jaray

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 22326
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 2073
  • MVP
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2009, 08:58:36 AM »
OK, I made a quick research and it seems that this one is indeed a car with bodywork by Vendrame and prepared by himself.
I thought it was one of the cars that he dressed for Zanussi, but it's not one of those.
Sorry about that.  :-\

#1 - Fortunati Sport 1950                                    Carnut  (how did you get this!!)
#2 - Leone Fiat 1100 Sport                                  als15
#5 - Nardi-Danese Baby Sport 750                      Carnut     
#6 - Minutolo Fiat 1100 Sport                               als15
#8 - Vendrame fiat 500a sport 1938                   Carnut & pnegyesi
#9 - Ortolani 750 Sport 1949                                  pnegyesi

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40956
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: PJ - 231 Etceterini Madness
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2009, 09:25:44 AM »
Yes, all I could find out about the Vendrame was that it is a "Vendrame Fiat Sport 650"
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars