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Re: Joao Gois #61
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2009, 09:21:32 AM »
The presentation in my source didn't refer to that year, no.
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Re: Joao Gois #61
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2009, 09:23:50 AM »
2005 then?

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Re: Joao Gois #61
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2009, 09:33:37 AM »
No. My source gave it as 2008.
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Re: Joao Gois #61
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2009, 02:00:36 PM »
Was it shown at Beijing Auto Show?

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Re: Joao Gois #61
« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2009, 06:44:34 AM »
Nooope!  :-\
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Re: Joao Gois #61
« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2009, 08:41:23 AM »
Guangzhou?

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Re: Joao Gois #61
« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2009, 10:56:09 AM »
Not that.
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Re: Joao Gois #61
« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2009, 10:56:53 AM »
Shanghai?

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Re: Joao Gois #61
« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2009, 04:28:47 PM »
This is the SAIC Feng Yi ('Glory of the Phoenix') presented at the 2008 Shanghai Accessory Show

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Re: Joao Gois #61
« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2009, 04:47:49 PM »
This is the SAIC Feng Yi ('Glory of the Phoenix') presented at the 2008 Shanghai Accessory Show

Wow! Well done, Quiller!  :applause: :hail:

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Re: Joao Gois #61
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2009, 08:38:15 AM »
Ahaaaaaaaaa!!! Damn correct!! I think this was one of my longer-lasting puzzles until now!

As I said, this car is a quite interesting venture because it was self-made by... a city!

"People look at the city's first self-made luxury sports car at an international auto exhibition Monday in Shanghai. The concept car is called Fengyi, meaning Phoenix's glory. The design of the blue and red car embodies a phoenix about to take flight while it has two headlights that look like the "eyes of a phoenix".
The sports car was designed and built by Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation with an investment of more than 6 million yuan (US$857,142). The auto maker began to design the vehicle in October, the report said."

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Re: Joao Gois #61
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2009, 08:47:25 AM »
But which city? Shanghai?
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Re: Joao Gois #61
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2009, 08:50:19 AM »
But which city? Shanghai?

"Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation ". Yes, Shanghai.
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Re: Joao Gois #61 - SOLVED: 2008 SAIC Phoenix
« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2009, 08:52:36 AM »
Well... SAIC is a very large group....

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Re: Joao Gois #61 - SOLVED: 2008 SAIC Phoenix
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2009, 08:54:40 AM »
But which city? Shanghai?

"Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation ". Yes, Shanghai.

Well, SAIC is the 3rd biggest chinese car manufacturer (they also own Rover, MG and Ssang Yong). So they could've made it for any other city as well :)
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Re: Joao Gois #61 - SOLVED: 2008 SAIC Phoenix
« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2009, 08:56:20 AM »
When I asked if it is created by a manufacturer the answer was no... That was really misleading/  :(

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Re: Joao Gois #61 - SOLVED: 2008 SAIC Phoenix
« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2009, 11:38:25 AM »
For me, SAIC is not a car manufacturer... It's a corporate group that OWNS several car manufacturers.
And they made the Phoenix on purpose for Shanghai city, as stated on the quoted text...
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Re: Joao Gois #61 - SOLVED: 2008 SAIC Phoenix
« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2009, 04:32:43 PM »
For me, SAIC is not a car manufacturer... It's a corporate group that OWNS several car manufacturers.
And they made the Phoenix on purpose for Shanghai city, as stated on the quoted text...

So, General Motors or PSA are not car manufacturers either?
And in the text it is said that the car could be seen at an automotive exhibition in Shanghai, but that doesn't necessarily imply that it was made for the city of Shanghai.
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Re: Joao Gois #61 - SOLVED: 2008 SAIC Phoenix
« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2009, 09:51:59 AM »
I don't know any carmaker named "PSA"... PSA is the enterprise group that OWNS Peugeot and Citroën but PSA itself doesn't build cars under its designation. And AFAIK, GM only did it in a handfull of concept cars...

In the text it directly implies it was built for Shanghai: "People look at the city's first self-made luxury sports car (...) in Shanghai" Hard to be more explicit IMO.
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Re: Joao Gois #61 - SOLVED: 2008 SAIC Phoenix
« Reply #44 on: March 16, 2009, 11:05:21 AM »
I don't know any carmaker named "PSA"... PSA is the enterprise group that OWNS Peugeot and Citroën but PSA itself doesn't build cars under its designation. And AFAIK, GM only did it in a handfull of concept cars...

In the text it directly implies it was built for Shanghai: "People look at the city's first self-made luxury sports car (...) in Shanghai" Hard to be more explicit IMO.

You're mixing the notions "manufacturer" and "brand/make". If you take a look at a list of automobile manufacturers, you won't find there Peugeot or Pontiac. Instead, you'll find PSA and GM. Peugeot or Pontiac are brands.

"PSA Peugeot Citroën (previously Peugeot Société Anonyme) is a French automobile and motorcycle manufacturer; these are sold under the Peugeot and Citroën marques."

"General Motors Corporation , founded in 1908, is the world's second-largest automaker. (...) In 2008, 8.35 million GM cars and trucks were sold globally under the following brands: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, GM Daewoo, Holden, Hummer, Opel, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn, Vauxhall and Wuling."

"The Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation is a Chinese automobile manufacturer which ranks the third among the "Big Five" Chinese automakers"

Q.E.D.

And the quote about the city in full is "People look at the city's first self-made luxury sports car at an international auto exhibition Monday in Shanghai." As you can see, the words "in Shanghai" refer to "auto exhibition" not "luxury sports car".
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Re: Joao Gois #61 - SOLVED: 2008 SAIC Phoenix
« Reply #45 on: November 21, 2009, 04:47:57 AM »
An updated version has been presented at Shanghai Motor Show 2009. It was named SAIC Yanfeng Visteon Fengyi.
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Re: Joao Gois #61 - SOLVED: 2008 SAIC Phoenix
« Reply #46 on: November 21, 2009, 10:20:24 AM »
White doesn't suit it very well, IMO... :-\
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Re: Joao Gois #61
« Reply #47 on: November 22, 2009, 06:21:25 AM »
Bugatti cues?? :O :O :O :O Where????

It's blue.
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Re: Joao Gois #61
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