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Hi! Here is another group puzzle dedicated to racing. Here you can find two groups of pictures, ten cars in each. The first group contains photographs of cars built by well known automotive companies for racing using their own engines, most of these cars are well known and recognizable. The second one consists of photos of racing specials built around engines produced by the companies in a first group, this time the cars are more obscure, but some of them are not so hard either. The aim is to find all ten pairs and to name both cars in it, one point for each pair. Note that the engine may be not specifically the same, but just of the same make.
The points will be awarded upon completion.

Standings:

1. GAZ SG-1 (Pobeda Sport) - Vana Toomas (#6) - vdp
2. Jaguar C-Type - Biondetti Ferrari-Jaguar (#3) - D-Type
3. Lancia D23 - SAM-Lancia 1500 by Edward Wroclawski (#7) - pnegyesi
4. OSCA S750 - OSCA MT4 Spezial by Wolfgang Seidel (#9) - pnegyesi
5. Bristol 450 - Tojeiro-Bristol (#1) - 250gto
6. Fiat 508 C MM - Marsala-Fiat 1100S (#8) - Paul Jaray
7. Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 CM - JK Sport - Alfa Romeo (#4) - pnegyesi
8. BMW 700 RS - Holbein HH47 (#2) - 250gto
9. Porsche 718 W-RS - Trenkel Porsche Eigenbau (#10) - 250gto
10. Monopole-Panhard X84 - P.E. Barchetta (#5)* - pnegyesi

 *Appeared to be two specials - my bad, read page #2 post #1.

Factory cars:
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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2009, 09:48:20 AM »
Specials:
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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2009, 02:12:23 PM »
Neat puzzle idea! :)
You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2009, 02:23:17 PM »
I've got one - factory car #1 matches with special #6 - both have GAZ M20 engines.
The factory car is a Pobeda-Sport, a GAZ M20 with steamlined racing body - you can easily recognise it by the front doors, and there is also a stock Pobeda on the background.
The special is Vana Toomas - a Formula-1 car built in Estonia. Yes, it was actually a Formula-1 car according to the Soviet classification of that time. It was built by Raimond Esner 1957-59 and raced by it's creator 1959-60, after that sold to Ludvig Kőrge who replaced the original Pobeda engine with a GAZ 21 unit and raced it with some success 1960-67. The car has been destroyed decades ago.

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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2009, 03:05:00 PM »
Right! First pair is done. You will get your point after all the pairs will be uncovered.
I thought Vana Toomas will be among the long-livers, and it's gone first. Was it so easy for you? ;)
And thanks, Otto! :)

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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2009, 06:28:54 AM »
Let's attract more people :)

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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2009, 07:08:45 AM »
Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 CM by Colli (FC07) and a Nardi with an 6C 2300 Engine (SC04)
Both have Alfa Romeo engines
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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2009, 07:35:56 AM »
Almost right, but SC04 is not Nardi.

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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2009, 12:52:25 PM »
FC09 is a Porsche 718 and its partner is SC10,  a Porsche Special built by Richard Trenkel.
FC05 is a Bristol 450 at Le Mans which has the same engine as SC01 which is a Tojeiro-Bristol
FC08 is a BMW 700 RS and SC02 is a Holbein HH47 which is also BMW engined (in its case a 328)
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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2009, 03:19:57 PM »
FC02 is a 1952 C-Type Jaguar, SC03 is the Biondetti-Jaguar Special
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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2009, 03:30:21 PM »
Right! All four pairs.

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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2009, 04:28:33 AM »
Almost right, but SC04 is not Nardi.

Can you clear something up.

Am I looking in the complete wrong direction with my ‘Nardi’ answer.
Or are we indeed talking about the ‘1936 Nardi 6C 2300 # 55076’ which, is although known as a Nardi by many, is in fact a car that was made much later (’60-70) in Eastern Germany but with an original Alfa Romeo 6C 2300 engine.  Unfortunately I do not know the ‘brand’ of this car.

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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2009, 04:47:36 AM »
SC04 was not Nardi at all, but used an Alfa Romeo engine. Thus, although you got the pair right, I'm still looking for the name of the special.

P.S. I think I have found your source of information about this car, but as far as I can say on that page they couldn't yet identify this car.
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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2009, 10:00:56 AM »
Hunt is open to everyone.

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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2009, 10:11:11 AM »
Are FC04 and SC08 are forming a pair?

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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2009, 10:18:05 AM »
Sorry, but no, they don't.

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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2009, 10:28:13 AM »
fc06 & sc08
Fiat 508 CMM 1938  &   Fiat 1100 Marsala ex-Fiat 1100 Sutera (by Autotrasformazioni Trinacria)
fc07   & sc04 
Alfa Romeo 6c 3000 CM  &   Nardi 2300 Alfa Romeo Special
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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2009, 10:38:58 AM »
Fc10 and sc5 are a pair, but I cannot find the special  :(

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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2009, 10:45:21 AM »
Almost right, but SC04 is not Nardi.

Can you clear something up.

Am I looking in the complete wrong direction with my ‘Nardi’ answer.
Or are we indeed talking about the ‘1936 Nardi 6C 2300 # 55076’ which, is although known as a Nardi by many, is in fact a car that was made much later (’60-70) in Eastern Germany but with an original Alfa Romeo 6C 2300 engine. Unfortunately I do not know the ‘brand’ of this car.

I only read it now...

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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2009, 03:50:31 PM »
fc06 & sc08
Fiat 508 CMM 1938  &   Fiat 1100 Marsala ex-Fiat 1100 Sutera (by Autotrasformazioni Trinacria)

Sure!

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fc07   & sc04 
Alfa Romeo 6c 3000 CM  &   Nardi 2300 Alfa Romeo Special

The same situation as with 75america's guess previously - the pair is right, but the special is not Nardi. His guess about Germany was, well, closer.

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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2009, 03:52:14 PM »
Fc10 and sc5 are a pair, but I cannot find the special  :(

That's right. I have seen this special on a couple of pages in the Internet. This photo was as well taken from the net.

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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2009, 06:31:12 AM »
In case someone is waiting 'two points for a pair' offer, I highly doubt that will happen :P

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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2009, 01:17:09 AM »
fc07   & sc04
Alfa Romeo 6c 3000 CM & Julius Kubinsky's Alfa Romeo 2500-powered special from Czechoslovakia from 1950. I can't read Czech but as I understand there were 3 cars built, two based around BMW and a 3rd with an Alfa Rome powertrain.
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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2009, 07:45:39 AM »
Yes! The car was called JK Sport, and the BMW engined ones too.
Three pairs left and then there is a point giveaway  ;).

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Re: Factory vs Specials
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2009, 12:17:51 PM »
fc10 and sc05 are indeed a pair:
fc10 is a Panhard Monopole 610 cc from 1950
sc05 is a rarity from Portugal: the Panhard-engined PE by  Produtos Estrela from 1953. The company was set up  by Adérito Parente.
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