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F#2 - Re-Solved - 1924 Collet-Anzani
« on: December 05, 2008, 12:32:03 PM »
Name the car and get one point.
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Re: F#2
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2008, 09:08:38 AM »
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Re: F#2
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2008, 10:20:43 AM »
Amilcar?
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Re: F#2
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2008, 10:24:12 AM »
No, not Amilcar

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Re: F#2
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2008, 05:30:53 AM »
But French?
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Re: F#2
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2008, 06:42:38 AM »
Not French

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Re: F#2
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2008, 07:37:49 AM »
Italian then?
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Re: F#2
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2008, 07:41:14 AM »
Italian is right.

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Re: F#2
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2008, 09:32:25 AM »
Is it a Chiribiri?
Possible a Monza Corsa, if so.
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Re: F#2
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2008, 11:35:23 AM »
Nope, not Chiribiri.

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Re: F#2
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2008, 01:16:17 PM »
Diatto?
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Re: F#2
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2008, 01:19:10 PM »
It doesn't carry Diatto badge, nope.

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Re: F#2
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2008, 02:01:43 PM »
It doesn't carry Diatto badge, nope.
Do you mean that it's a Diatto but called something else?
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Re: F#2
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2008, 02:52:53 PM »
No, sorry, I meant it is not Diatto at all.

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Re: F#2
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2008, 07:45:28 AM »
Any guesses, Pros?

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Re: F#2
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2009, 05:38:13 PM »
I suppose it's not a Fiat 501 with those wheels so...is this a Camen 1000 Sport from 1926-27?

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Re: F#2
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2009, 06:28:34 AM »
Not Camen also.
Hint: the company is better known for another vehicles and engines...

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Re: F#2
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2009, 07:13:42 AM »
Bianchi 2 litre sport from 1923?

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Re: F#2
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2009, 07:30:27 AM »
No, 2 liter engine is a bit big for this car ;)

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Re: F#2
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2009, 07:49:36 AM »
But is it a Bianchi?

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Re: F#2
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2009, 08:37:57 AM »
No, not Bianchi.
You know, your 1923 guess was rather accurate.
Also I'd like to note that the company had plants in 3 countries, although the founder was Italian. From what I've found recently, Goao Gois was partly right about France.
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Re: F#2
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2009, 08:48:59 AM »
Anzani!
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Re: F#2
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2009, 08:51:31 AM »
Yes. I'm not sure about the model name though, because it most often is not specified, but this picture I have as Anzani Special.

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Re: F#2
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2009, 09:00:40 AM »
In each book I have there is only Anzani Cyclecar, 1098cc, 1923-1924 except the Beaulieu:
Anzani: See Mauve (F)
Mauve:
Eugène Mauve built nad raced the Elfe cyclecar from 1919 to 1921, and the following year turned to a more conventional car powered by a 1086cc single-ohc 4-cylinder anzani engine. He raced the first under the Anzani or Mauve-Anzani, which as led to Anzani being listed as a make of car. Production cars, however, were always called Mauve...(...).

but in the "New Encyclopedia":
ANZANI (I) 1923-1924
Motocicli e motori Anzani, Milan
(....) A factory was opened in France, and Anzani engines were also made in England by the British Anzani Company.(....)
Alessandro Anzani himself settled in France, near Caen, and altough no car appeared after 1924, proprietary engines bearing the name were produced until the 1930s, and after WWII in England.

I don't know why there is nothing about Alessandro Anzani in the Beaulieu, but I have listed this car as an Anzani Cyclecar...and other sources reported his activity in Italy, France and England as engine supplier (England) and builder of cyclecars (Italy) and light 2-cylinder cyclecars (France).
Finally I have a good picture of this Anzani Special! 
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Re: F#2 - Solved - 1924 Anzani Special
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2009, 09:30:54 AM »
I think we are wrong  :-\
This one is a French Collet-Anzani 1100 Sport.
I'll post a picture from an encyclopedia of the 70s.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2009, 09:40:21 AM by Paul Jaray »